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    Peace and Assalamu Alaikum


    Well i was speaking with some non-muslims who seem to strongly believe in Karma. Karma being you do good, get good back, do bad, get evil back ! What goes around comes around, that kinda thing.

    I believe in Allaah so i know he will reward and punish as he see's fit... but it made me wonder. How many non muslims out there believe in karma? and why karma?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    Kicking cats is bad karma
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    ^ lol what happens in return? you get kicked by a horse?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by good ol wiki
    The philosophical explanation of karma can differ slightly between traditions, but the general concept is basically the same. Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others. The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well.
    Lol i found that part a bit interesting, we could say if we sin on earth, we get punished in our future life ie akhirah via jahannam
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    ^ lol what happens in return? you get kicked by a horse?
    Not necessarily, bro.

    On second thoughts, maybe I don't believe in karma. However I do believe in divine retribution and attribute of Allah being Al-Hakim Al-'Adl and since this world and all creation is His, we are all subject to His justice, which in His ultimate wisdom, knows when to punish, forgive, reward etc.

    We are too small to understand His Ways. However consider this for an instance:

    An accident. A truck and a small car. Both drivers were killed instantly. The small car had a family passenger and they were all injured seriously.

    To the average mind, this has been most unfortunate. Some of us may even stoop so low to actually blame God for letting this happen. But neither of us can understand that this is part of the Divine Plan.

    The driver of the truck may have been on his way to commit crime. He may have been planning to pick up some illegal package to be delivered to some organized crime & drug syndicate so that more people will suffer as result. God may have caused the accident because He wanted to prevent the man from committing the sin.

    The driver of the small car may have been an 'alim and a salih. It was his time, after a life of piety, kindness and mercy. He may have been worthy of paradise so God decides he can have it sooner.

    The injured family members. Ambulances come to rescue them. The rescue workers get paid for doing their job of rescuing people in pain and distress. It is the way God gets their bounty (rizqi) to them, ensuring that they have a job and a pay. It doesn't matter what people think how God should feed His creatures but that's how He is known as ar-Razaq, the Giver of Sustenance. It seems cruel in the eyes of average person, but it is necessary and God does not care what you think how He should administer His affairs. In addition to that, it gives lesson to the passerby and those who reflect (ulul albab). They learn that Allah gives life, and He can take it away in an instance, thus the mortality of men reminds us to be humble and always in remembrance of Him.

    The orphans. They will be taken in by those who wish to adopt them and shower them with mercy. Again, God gives chance to people who wish to do Him service, and if it is not for Allah, it is for the betterment of other people who will be thankful to Allah. Allah reminds us in the Qur'an to be kind towards orphans, and to feed them and clothe them and not to selfishly spend their inheritance. We see the accident as cruel twist of fate, but it is in fact, the way Allah opens up opportunities for people to do good and earn His mercy.

    And for us Muslims, death is not the end, but the beginning.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    salam alaikum,

    i personally have many friends that believe in karma and its their main focus or theology in life they accept and acknowledge the existance of God but yet seem to believe that what goes around comes around, i personally myself dont believe in karma and its concept in itself, i dont believe that if you do bad you get twice as bad in this world and if you do good you get twice as good in this world cos karma and its concept is very limited and a worldy theory that is limited to this temporary life.

    my main believe is that if you do good yes Allah swt will multiply your rewards and will bless you in this life with goodness and your akhira and if you do bad then your earning Allah swt's wrath and you will get stricken with calamity for what your own hads have earned in this life and will also get what is due to you in proportion for the bad that your own hands have earned in the akhira.

    i know some people that have been really evil towards me and done me bad for no reason and Wallah when i say this to you, they have gone through the same thing themselves only 3 times worse so it makes you think!!!
    before when someone did me bad i'd turn to Allah swt and just ask him for justice i never asked or wished any bad to befall them but only justice for myself but now through what i have seen i dont even do that and when people mistreat me or are evil to me, revenge doesnt even cross my mind Wallah it never does cos i know that if i devouted my whole life to ruinig that persons life i would never achieve the justice that Allah swt would give me EVER so i just leave it to Him and hold my peace with everyone.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    I don't.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    I don't.
    so what motivates you to do good?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman View Post
    so what motivates you to do good?
    I don't know, first empathy, love etc, second I don't wanna get in trouble, doing good usually keeps you out of trouble.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    I don't know, first empathy, love etc, second I don't wanna get in trouble, doing good usually keeps you out of trouble.
    in that case your world is governed by dumb luck :|
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    in that case your world is governed by dumb luck :|
    Yeah, a lot is governed by luck.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    Yeah, a lot is governed by luck.
    isnt there a bit too much order for that to be the case?


    also you said a lot, surely you meant all of it?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    isnt there a bit too much order for that to be the case?
    What do you mean, order?

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    also you said a lot, surely you meant all of it?
    No, not all of it.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    I don't know, first empathy, love etc, second I don't wanna get in trouble, doing good usually keeps you out of trouble.
    What sort of trouble? And so what if you get in trouble, what is there to fear or for that matter who is there to fear?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    What do you mean, order?
    the way the world works. The fact that we arent in constant horrific situations. The controlled nature, ie the consistent order of the seasons (there are NO two different orders for seasons in a year its always the same) same goes for the rising of the sun, the setting of the moon, its all in order.

    Everything is in order, there is no chaos.




    How can this all be by luck?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post

    No, not all of it.

    i should have made it clear that all human influence excluded, then what is not governed by luck in your understanding?
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    To answer the question

    On numerous occasions the Prophet (PBUH) has eloquently advised Muslims, “If you show mercy to those who are on earth, He who is in heaven will show mercy to you.”


    I seek Allah's Mercy for I'm in dire need of it.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger View Post
    To answer the question

    On numerous occasions the Prophet (PBUH) has eloquently advised Muslims, “If you show mercy to those who are on earth, He who is in heaven will show mercy to you.”


    I seek Allah's Mercy for I'm in dire need of it.
    so you believe karma as in that Allaah rewards good with good.

    I think there is also a saheeh hadith which states the same "what reward can there be for good but good". I dont remember if the evil was mentioned in the hadith or not?


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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by TrueStranger View Post
    What sort of trouble? And so what if you get in trouble, what is there to fear or for that matter who is there to fear?
    Doing bad can result in all sorts of trouble, staying out of them is simply more comfortable, less stressful.
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    Re: Do You Believe in Karma ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    the way the world works. The fact that we arent in constant horrific situations. The controlled nature, ie the consistent order of the seasons (there are NO two different orders for seasons in a year its always the same) same goes for the rising of the sun, the setting of the moon, its all in order.

    Everything is in order, there is no chaos.
    How can this all be by luck?
    There is chaos, however it's rather undetectable in large system such as the solar one.
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