The "Undercover Mosque" programme is to return to TV following its libel victory over West Midlands Police by sending a woman into a mainstream mosque to expose extremism.
By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent
Channel 4 and the programme-makers were paid an estimated £100,000 after police falsely claimed the documentary had selectively edited quotes from preachers in mosques around the country to make them appear more extreme.
The Crown Prosecution Service decided not to prosecute the preachers and instead referred the programme makers, Hardcash, to the regulator Ofcom regulator which later cleared them of all charges.
Now Hardcash has made a follow-up programme for Channel 4's Dispatches, to be broadcast next month, in which a female reporter attends prayer meetings at an important British mosque which claims to be dedicated to moderation and dialogue with other faiths.
The programme-makers, who are not naming the mosque at this stage, say she secretly filmed shocking sermons given to the women-only congregation in which female preachers recited extremist and intolerant beliefs.
As hundreds of women and some children came to pray, a preacher called for adulterers, homosexuals, women who act like men and Muslim converts to other faiths to be killed, saying: "Kill him, kill him. You have to kill him, you understand. This is Islam."
Channel 4 said: "Worshippers are repeatedly told they must lead separate lives from non-believers and not tolerate other religions. Christian teachings are described as "vile and disgusting, an abomination."
At private, invite-only prayer meetings linked to the mosque, the reporter films the leading preacher from the women's prayer circle issuing strict diktats on women's personal freedoms - decreeing they must not travel far without a male member of the family to escort them, and instructing them not to integrate with British society or work in a non-Islamic environment."
In the same mosque, the reporter visited the bookshop and discovered books and DVDs still on sale, promoting extremist, anti-Semitic, misogynistic and intolerant messages, Channel 4 said.
"Unbelievers are described in one DVD as: 'Evil, wicked, mischievous people - you can see the evil in their face.' Whilst Jews, 'have abominated, filthy, disgusting gross belief - their time will come like every other evil person's time will come.' "
The film also reveals that Government advisers have been preaching radical views as it goes undercover in two mosques and a Saudi funded organisation, sources said.
Dispatches traces the links between the teachings and materials at the mosque and the Saudi Arabian religious establishment, and examines the extent to which Saudi Arabia exports such teachings around the world through the funding of literature, schools, mosques and other organisations.
As part of the investigation, the undercover reporter also films inside a key Saudi-funded Muslim organisation which claims to promote tolerance and integration yet distributes literature which promotes intolerance for non-Muslims, an extreme version of Sharia law and teachings which support discrimination against women.
The programme was commissioned in the middle of the row over the first documentary and David Henshaw, managing director of Hardcash, said: "We have had unflinching support from Channel 4 who have shown great faith in our journalistic standards despite the ambush from the West Midlands Police.
"I believe this programme is as stunning as the first and I hope it will initiate a debate about the clash between theology and politics."
The film also features interviews with a former Foreign Office minister and Islamic academics who condemn these messages of intolerance and segregation and warn of the impact this version of Islam is having on British society.
One imam at a leading university accuses the Saudi religious establishment of the: "distortion of Islam itself, the abuse and misuse of this great faith of mine and not only mine but of my children as well."
boring, same old nonsense, wont change anything, just a few nice headlines and then finnish, in that same time more people will just embrace Islam, so theres nothing to really debate mr henshaw.
boring, same old nonsense, wont change anything, just a few nice headlines and then finnish, in that same time more people will just embrace Islam, so theres nothing to really debate mr henshaw.
I find it difficult to understand your rationale, perhap you would explain?
I find it difficult to understand your rationale, perhap you would explain?
well i have said this on another thread. we dont need to debate anything, fact is fact, Islam is growing, especially in the west, hence in reality Muslims dont need to debate anything, the thing that needs to be debated is what will we do when Islam is not a minority anymore. and im not talking about religous debate here, as in polemics, im talking about this debate about Muslims and society, were do Muslims fit in etc etc etc, we dont need to have a debate about this as i said above, were growing and will no longer be a minority once my great grandkids are alive
so let people make these documentaries etc and call for debates, but i say again, there is NOTHING to debate. the saudis will also continue to spend billions of dollars in spreading Islam around the west as they have been doing, and none of you can do anything about that. so now tell me, what shall we debate?
well i have said this on another thread. we dont need to debate anything, fact is fact, Islam is growing, especially in the west, hence in reality Muslims dont need to debate anything, the thing that needs to be debated is what will we do when Islam is not a minority anymore. and im not talking about religous debate here, as in polemics, im talking about this debate about Muslims and society, were do Muslims fit in etc etc etc, we dont need to have a debate about this as i said above, were growing and will no longer be a minority once my great grandkids are alive
so let people make these documentaries etc and call for debates, but i say again, there is NOTHING to debate. the saudis will also continue to spend billions of dollars in spreading Islam around the west as they have been doing, and none of you can do anything about that. so now tell me, what shall we debate?
Hopefully the governments across Europe will limit immigration and present laws to deport illegals or immigrant criminals including imams, so you may have to wait a bit longer.
whats hateful about saing christianity is disgusting etc etc? and whats hateful about saying we dont want to integrate into the life style of other people? erm this isnt against the law last i checked. lol when people call Islam disgusting and violent 24-7 its not bad at all, now when we say the same for Christianity it becomes evil? says who? you an infidel? who said you are in charge in the first place?
secondly, these Muslims are british themselves, and they dont want to get mixed with sex, alcohol and so on, they want their own british way of life. people dont attack american mormons for this, or american amish people, so why for Muslims it becomes different?
fact is fact, this is all due to a deep hatred for Islam and Muslims, when Muslims do something that every other group of people have done and did, only Muslims will get blame.
you infidels perhaps expect us Muslims to be your slaves and keep our mouths shut while you have the right to non stop attack Islam and Muslims 24-7 ey?
also some people might feel offended that i say 'infidel' well Christians made this word up, so i enjoy using it. plus you infidels call us Muhammadans and many many title names. and this is what im talking about! why can they call us muhammadan and so on and we cant say infidel without getting a stare?!
Hopefully the governments across Europe will limit immigration and present laws to deport illegals or immigrant criminals including imams, so you may have to wait a bit longer.
most of these people arent illegals, or criminals, so take your bigoted view and stick it where the sun dont shine buddy. and the goverment will not be doing that anytime soon neither. many of these people are british so time to face the music as they say.
most of these people arent illegals, or criminals, so take your bigoted view and stick it where the sun dont shine buddy. and the goverment will not be doing that anytime soon neither. many of these people are british so time to face the music as they say.
I'm not talking about the second or the third generation, I'm talking about the new ones.
Britain may not, but the continental governments are.
And besides, you can't expect the birth rates to be as high all the time, they've already already slowed down and they will continue to do so.
well i have said this on another thread. we dont need to debate anything, fact is fact, Islam is growing, especially in the west, hence in reality Muslims dont need to debate anything, the thing that needs to be debated is what will we do when Islam is not a minority anymore. and im not talking about religous debate here, as in polemics, im talking about this debate about Muslims and society, were do Muslims fit in etc etc etc, we dont need to have a debate about this as i said above, were growing and will no longer be a minority once my great grandkids are alive
so let people make these documentaries etc and call for debates, but i say again, there is NOTHING to debate. the saudis will also continue to spend billions of dollars in spreading Islam around the west as they have been doing, and none of you can do anything about that. so now tell me, what shall we debate?
I like people who say openly what others just think in their minds.
It is clear what muslims like you want.
I just want you to know that more and more europeans get know your plans every year.
And that knowledge is first step to do something about saving this continent from your totalitarian ideas.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
At some point, everyone stopped talking about the topic. It used to be good. This topic used to be at 'awesome' level. I want to take it back to 'awesome'.
I don't understand why they are doing this. Are they oblivious to the fact that this will lead to increased distrust of non-extreme Muslims from the British public? Are do they just not care? This is going to make matters worse.
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
I don't understand why they are doing this. Are they oblivious to the fact that this will lead to increased distrust of non-extreme Muslims from the British public? Are do they just not care? This is going to make matters worse.
I think it's to show that ALL islam is extreme, hence their going to a mainstream mosque..
So it's like:
jack-"they're telling them to kill adulterers, at this supposedly peaceful, tolerant mosque"
jill- "oh my, shock, horror!"
I don't understand why they are doing this. Are they oblivious to the fact that this will lead to increased distrust of non-extreme Muslims from the British public? Are do they just not care? This is going to make matters worse.
I think it's important to publicise the hatred being preached by men of religion in Britain. More important than not hurting anyone's feelings, that's for sure. Views like those expressed in the article are not welcome in Britain - it's as simple as that.
I think it's to show that ALL islam is extreme, hence their going to a mainstream mosque..
So it's like:
jack-"they're telling them to kill adulterers, at this supposedly peaceful, tolerant mosque"
jill- "oh my, shock, horror!"
If they're saying the Koran teaches adulterers in an Islamic state with the prosecution having acquired 4 witnesses, aught to be stoned, I see no problem with it.
If they're saying something else, there could be a problem.
If they're saying the Koran teaches adulterers in an Islamic state with the prosecution having acquired 4 witnesses, aught to be stoned, I see no problem with it.
If they're saying something else, there could be a problem.
But that's the problem. A lot of the time when people discuss the punishment for adultery in islam, they don't mention all the conditions for it to take place, it would just take too long to repeat every time, and it's a given. The 4 people witnessing the actual act, it going through a proper court, etc. aren't mentioned. All that is heard is "kill adulterers". So when an average person hears that, they're going to think that muslims are vigilantes who will throw rocks at random couples they see in the street. Which is an incorrect image of the law really is.
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