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    Fata Lemes, 33, said that she was pestered for sex by customers at the Rocket bar and restaurant in London's Mayfair where waitresses were "treated as prostitutes". She claimed the bar was run "like a sex club".

    Miss Lemes, a Bosnian Muslim, told an employment tribunal she had initially worn loose-fitting black clothes to work but claimed that after a week she was ordered to wear a clinging, sleeveless, bright red dress that had a plunging neckline and was open at the back.

    Miss Lemes said she tried the outfit on and found it was "physically revealing and openly sexual".

    She said: "It was indecent. If you put this dress on you might as well be naked. I did not want men looking at my body.

    "I was brought up a Muslim, and am not used to wearing sexually attractive clothes."

    She refused to wear it and claims that she was immediately fired.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-uniform.html

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    I was wondering why a Muslim woman would work in a cocktail bar (where alcohol is served) in the first place.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform


    Yes me too rather strafe than work at a place that serves alcohol and tells waitress to wear reveling clothing, astagfarullah, may Allah help every Muslim.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-uniform.html

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    I was wondering why a Muslim woman would work in a cocktail bar (where alcohol is served) in the first place.

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    Perhaps thats the only job she could find. I knew a Pakistani guy who worked in a bar when he first moved in this country. Worked there for a month then went on to another job. He said he couldn't find another job and he wasn't drinking, just serving. He prayed salat 5 times a day, but wasn't very religious in appearance.
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    The bar told her what to wear, she refused, she got fired. I don't see the problem.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-uniform.html

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    I was wondering why a Muslim woman would work in a cocktail bar (where alcohol is served) in the first place.

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    Perhaps she's the drinking type Muslim.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-uniform.html

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    I was wondering why a Muslim woman would work in a cocktail bar (where alcohol is served) in the first place.

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    Hi Glo,

    It's the same reason, why some muslims, lie, steal, kill, fornicate and do everything else they are forbidden to - lack of knowledge or no fear of Allah.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    Not too sure what she was expecting when she took a job at a bar?
    In some places, like Hooters, female waitresses are told in their contract that their job requires them to use their sex appeal, and basically ***** themselves out to customers, if they don't they'll be in violation of their contract.
    It's pretty much the same in cocktail bars, isn't it? I personally think that it's disgusting, but I guess those waitresses disagree..
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scents of Jannah View Post
    Hi Glo,

    It's the same reason, why some muslims, lie, steal, kill, fornicate and do everything else they are forbidden to - lack of knowledge or no fear of Allah.
    exactly, Unfortunately not all Muslims are the same, there is the good Muslims and there is those who dont follow the teaching very well...nothing else

    its just like in any other religions, you will not find all the followers of any religion act the same or following the teaching in the same manner
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    Its probably a lack of knowledge she may have grown up in a Muslim family that didn't follow Islam correctly as nowadays culture plays a big part and traditions that people get in to there heads that they are Islamic where they are not and if she was worried about men looking at her why was she not wearing hijab because she new it would be difficult to find work and it also depends on whether she had family here or not she may have had to take what she could find to support her self if she is here alone she may or may not have a visa or paper work s she went or a job that maybe wouldn't ask for a visa or work permit there are may factors that could have lead this women take that type of job i hope someone will give her dawah in the future inshaallah
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    The bar told her what to wear, she refused, she got fired. I don't see the problem.
    If your boss told you to wear a bra to work you wouldn't see a problem with it would you? Actually don't bother answering that question

    Secondly the woman got what she deserved and I hope she gets no compensation for it.

    She got a job in a bar... what was she expecting? priests and nuns? Good thing she got fired from that job.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-uniform.html

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    I was wondering why a Muslim woman would work in a cocktail bar (where alcohol is served) in the first place.

    Peace
    ditto my thoughts.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    Miss Lemes, a Bosnian Muslim, told an employment tribunal she had initially worn loose-fitting black clothes to work but claimed that after a week she was ordered to wear a clinging, sleeveless, bright red dress that had a plunging neckline and was open at the back.
    Yet,

    Miss Lemes said she tried the outfit on and found it was "physically revealing and openly sexual".
    I was laughing at that particular bit. How stupid can one woman get?
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun View Post
    If your boss told you to wear a bra to work you wouldn't see a problem with it would you? Actually don't bother answering that question
    What I'm saying is that she doesn't have the right to sue the bar.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    What I'm saying is that she doesn't have the right to sue the bar.
    no she doesnt. they should sue her for being a pain lol

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    What I'm saying is that she doesn't have the right to sue the bar.
    I have to admit I do agree with you.

    But I am looking at this in another way too...

    What if she wasn't a Muslim but just didn't feel comfortable in the dress? Isn't democracy supposed to give you the right to choose not to dress indecently?

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun View Post
    What if she wasn't a Muslim but just didn't feel comfortable in the dress? Isn't democracy supposed to give you the right to choose not to dress indecently?
    Yep, but not everywhere. There's this thing called dress code that an employee has to abide to.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    Its same situation as if a jew wanted a job in a butcher shop and then accused the owner that he had to touch the pork meat.
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hamayun View Post
    What if she wasn't a Muslim but just didn't feel comfortable in the dress? Isn't democracy supposed to give you the right to choose not to dress indecently?
    Perhaps the fact that this is a muslimah is not so important?

    Personally I would feel extremely uncomfortable to work in an environment where men come to drink and are likely to make leery comments or treat me (and other women) in ways which I would consider disrespectful.
    I would also hate to have to wear revealing clothing - which can only add to the already uncomfortable situation I mentioned in the previous sentence.

    I dislike the idea so much that I am not likely to ever consider taking a job in such a place.

    However, I wouldn't take such a job, but then expect to wear different clothes. I guess the dresscode is part of the job contract. You either agree and do your job, or you don't and don't.
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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    I completely agree. She can't put her hand in fire and not expect it to burn *as someone mentioned earlier*

    She has no right to sue the employers. I was merely trying to see the situation from different angles.

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    Re: Muslim cocktail waitress sues over revealing uniform

    Well if this report is true (as there is so much 'this Muslim did this that and the other' trend in the media going on) then one has to establish what this ladies contract says about dress code. As the saying goes 'there is always two sides to every story' and it would be important to check out all the facts on both sides. One start would be to analyse the dress code over the history of the establishment. Did it change much?. Was it predominately of one type e.g. smart or revealing?. Of course sleazy dressing will be for sleazy joints and vice versa.

    I've seen some bars etc. in the UK and usually the men/women are quite smartly dressed in things like long-sleeved shirts, waistcoats, trousers etc - i.e. what would generally constitue a smart unifrom. That dress they asked her to put on seems more like something a person would go out to party/flirt in - it doesn't conjure up the immediate picture of 'uniform'.

    Anyway like I said the case needs looking into deeply especially before making generalisations like "she has no case to sue or not".


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