Was just wondering of any of you have seen the news and the coverage of the seventeen year old girl being thrashed on suspected Adultery and your views on this.
This happened in Swat in Pakistan and there is a horrible video on TV where the brother is holding her down as she is being thrashed..............and filmed by some sick geek......................
Sis just edited my post as i forgot to mention where........ I just feel so sick and have cried my eyes out for this poor young woman who they have claimed guilty until proved innocent...................
What is "thrashing"? stoning?
if so it's terrible.. i don't know how some people don't fear Allah when doing things like that. Prophet(pbuh) clearly says 4 witneses, or woman's confession are needed.. it doesn't say "guilty until proven innocent".
I think it's unacceptable no matter what, okay she is suspected of adultery Allahu Alim , We leave it to Allah , He is the best of judges.
But WHO are they to judge other people's sins ? are they themselves sinless?
That girl is struggling in this world full with distractions and fitnah.
what view do you think the girl has right now about the religion?
Why couldn't they use better , more peaceful methods ?
It's like they are trying to find a reason , an excuse to use violence.
I detest it.
If I had a Daughter that committed adultery, I would be (very)angry okay but not brutally trash her and especially not in public. I would have explain her that it is wrong what she did, I would have explain her why it is wrong , Talk about religion etc.
she cries: “I am repenting, my father is repenting what I have done, my grandmother is repenting what I have done...”
No matter how many times I watch it , I just ...can't accept it, sorry.
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
not to sound heartless, but everyone's reactions are interesting, I see people advocating shari'a etc, well this is found in the qur'an too, so if four witnesses were there the lashing would in fact have to be applied, not like in the video, but still it would somewhat like it.
people should not confuse tribal customs with Islam, that being said, what would you say if it was actually proven by 4 witnesses,,
to note, in Shari'a, lashing is not meant to hurt rather to humiliate, rather it is mostly a light touch, rather than the full armed swing as that ---- in the vid was doing,,
IF it was proven by 4 witnesses...I think they should atleast have justice and mercy.
and do it properly how the Qu'ran mentions it and not how they think it should.
people tend to "suspect" things bla bla bla and then use it as an excuse to use violence.
And Allah knows best!
Last edited by Güven; 04-03-2009 at 11:44 PM.
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
you mean not enact out the punishment and do something else?
Like I said , They Should act how Allah swt says they should.
And Allah knows best
Last edited by Güven; 04-05-2009 at 10:45 PM.
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
but Guven, that would make everyone say the repented, and get away with whatever they want to do, no?
btw, I agree with you, rather it's for the sake of maturing this thread,,
but Guven, that would make everyone say the repented, and get away with whatever they want to do, no?
btw, I agree with you, rather it's for the sake of maturing this thread,,
I didn't say that they should get away with it just because they say that they have so-called repented.
No they should do what the Qu'ran say they should , lol third time I said it
and what's the point in repenting, if they have been judged already ?
Like I said Allah swt knows best.
Last edited by Güven; 04-04-2009 at 12:31 AM.
Reason: My mistake , I was confused with something else :X
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
but Guven,they are actually sinless after getting punished
I think we should stop abusing women period, regardless in whose name it happens, as I see it, as long as Shari'a cannot be implemented fully somewhere, it should not be implemented partially either, that could actually be worse, the names and tags should matter, weather someone calls it "Islamic" or not does not make it so or not, rather justice and equality are Islamic, protecting the weak is Islamic, working to the betterment of each other is Islamic, but some people beating and killing anyone they dislike, calling any who disagree with them hypocrite, etc etc, that is not what our religion is supposed to accomplish, these people are applying their own version of what they call 'shari'a', which even from afar doesn't come close to resemblance,,
everyone is sick of the taliban or whoever they are! like come on man, you wana implement islaam, and this is the way they go around doing it, they destroyed like 1000s of schools, because girls went there, which doesnt have a islamic point to it @ all, they have given islaam and given it such a bad name, may Allah (Swt) deal with them,
now it wasnt proven that she did anythin, its all based on suspicion, apparently the guy who she was "caught" with, was the local electrician coming to fix a fault! and i do wonder did the man get caned? also who are the four witnesses who witnessed them doin anythin, see where is the islaam in this, these fools should cane themselfs all the way to the top of the butifull swat mountains and then give themselfs one massive cane and jump of the mountains
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
but Guven,they are actually sinless after getting punished
I think we should stop abusing women period, regardless in whose name it happens, as I see it, as long as Shari'a cannot be implemented fully somewhere, it should not be implemented partially either, that could actually be worse, the names and tags should matter, weather someone calls it "Islamic" or not does not make it so or not, rather justice and equality are Islamic, protecting the weak is Islamic, working to the betterment of each other is Islamic, but some people beating and killing anyone they dislike, calling any who disagree with them hypocrite, etc etc, that is not what our religion is supposed to accomplish, these people are applying their own version of what they call 'shari'a', which even from afar doesn't come close to resemblance,,
I knew that.
Well Chacha said it better than me
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
I agree, although it is not the Taliban whatever that means nowadays, rather the society that accepts and condones as well as calls for such actions, removing this group or that from power is only a temporary solution,,,
^ agreed, one thing i dont understand is apparently swat in pakistan is under taliban control, thats like someone taking over a city in your country! how did the pakistani govt let that happen! silly pakistanians!
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
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Was just wondering of any of you have seen the news and the coverage of the seventeen year old girl being thrashed on suspected Adultery and your views on this.
IF it was proven by 4 witnesses...I think they should atleast have justice and mercy., rather it's for the sake of maturing this thread,,
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