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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8057465.stm

    he beautifully preserved remains of a 47-million-year-old, lemur-like creature have been unveiled in the US.
    The preservation is so good, it is possible to see the outline of its fur and even traces of its last meal.
    The fossil, nicknamed Ida, is claimed to be a "missing link" between today's higher primates - monkeys, apes and humans - and more distant relatives.
    But some independent experts, awaiting an opportunity to see the new fossil, are sceptical of the claim.
    And they have been critical of the hype surrounding the presentation of Ida.
    The fossil was launched amid great fanfare at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, by the city's mayor.
    Although details of the fossil have only just been published in a scientific journal - PLoS One - there is already a TV documentary and book tie-in.

    She belongs to the group from which higher primates and human beings developed but my impression is she is not on the direct line
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    Ida was discovered in the 1980s in a fossil treasure-trove called Messel Pit, near Darmstadt in Germany. For much of the intervening period, it has been in a private collection.
    The investigation of the fossil's significance was led by Jorn Hurum of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway.
    He said the fossil creature was "the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor" and described the discovery as "a dream come true".
    The female animal lived during an epoch in Earth history known as the Eocene, which was crucial for the development of early primates - and at first glance, Ida resembles a lemur.
    But the creature lacks primitive features such as a so-called "toothcomb", a specialised feature in which the lower incisor and canine teeth are elongated, crowded together and projecting forward. She also lacks a special claw used for grooming.

    In a David Attenborough-narrated BBC programme, the fossil is revealed in virtual reality

    The team concluded that she was not simply another lemur, but a new species. They have called her Darwinius masillae, to celebrate her place of origin and the bicentenary of the birth of Charles Darwin.
    Dr Jens Franzen, an expert on the Messel Pit and a member of the team, described Ida as "like the Eighth Wonder of the World", because of the extraordinary completeness of the skeleton.
    It was information "palaeontologists can normally only dream of", he said.
    In addition, Ida bears "a close resemblance to ourselves" he said, with nails instead of claws, a grasping hand and an opposable thumb - like humans and some other primates. But he said some aspects of the teeth indicate she is not a direct ancestor - more of an "aunt" than a "grandmother".
    "She belongs to the group from which higher primates and human beings developed but my impression is she is not on the direct line."
    Independent experts are keen to see the new fossil but somewhat sceptical of any claim that it could be "a missing link".
    Dr Henry Gee, a senior editor at the journal Nature, said the term itself was misleading and that the scientific community would need to evaluate its significance.
    "It's extremely nice to have a new find and it will be well-studied," he said. But he added that it was not likely to be in the same league as major discoveries such as "Flores man" or feathered dinosaurs.

    The BBC's Fergus Walsh takes a look inside the Messel Pit

    Dr Chris Beard, curator of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History and author of The Hunt for the Dawn Monkey, said he was "awestruck" by the publicity machine surrounding the new fossil.
    He argued that it could damage the popularisation of science if the creature was not all that it was hyped up to be.
    Dr Beard has not yet seen scientific details of the find but said that it would be very nice to have a beautiful new fossil from the Eocene and that Ida would be "a welcome new addition" to the world of early primates.
    But he added: "I would be absolutely dumbfounded if it turns out to be a potential ancestor to humans."
    In the PLoS paper itself, the scientists do not actually claim the specimen represents a direct ancestor to us. But Dr Hurum believes that is exactly what Ida is.
    He told BBC News that the key to proving this lay in the detail of the foot. The shape of a bone in the foot called the talus looks "almost anthropoid".
    He said the team was now planning a 3D reconstruction of the foot which would prove this.
    "We're not finished with this specimen yet," said Dr Hurum. "There will be plenty more papers coming out."

    I personally think this is a load of tosh and dosent prove anything like all the other fossils they have unearthed.

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    Re: New fossil discovered - missing link??

    or it is just a lema type creature, why must everything be a missing link? lol.
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    Re: New fossil discovered - missing link??

    described Ida as "like the Eighth Wonder of the World", because of the extraordinary completeness of the skeleton.
    WOW What a wonder!




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    great fossil, good article..... missing link...... boulderdash !
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    Even if its a missing link, its not proof that we did evolve off such a being. They can only speculate.
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    Re: New fossil discovered - missing link??

    From some of the other critics I've read on this and the location, it's probably more of a distant branch and not a direct ancestor.
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    Re: New fossil discovered - missing link??

    format_quote Originally Posted by Gator View Post
    From some of the other critics I've read on this and the location, it's probably more of a distant branch and not a direct ancestor.
    i used to study biology, so know a little more than most about the concepts of evolution but articles such as this only help us muslims destroy such concepts when such weak arguments are used.

    these people are obsessed with finding the missing link, it is the holy grail to them because it was the proof given by darwin for his theory.
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    I have heard several Muslims who believe that the evolution theory is true - at least where the development of animal and plant life is concerned. (Is that a predominant view in Islam?)
    However, they do not believe that humans are part of that evolutionary chain. They were created directly by Allah.

    Is that a correct reflection of Islamic teaching on that subject?
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    Dawud, do you personally disregard the evolution theory completely?
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    Re: New fossil discovered - missing link??

    format_quote Originally Posted by glo View Post
    Dawud, do you personally disregard the evolution theory completely?
    do animals have small changes due to circumstances, like the famous fast road running hedgehogs of middle england, then yes. does this make them a seperate species? no.

    evolution also really breaks down as a theory when you get down to a certain level, there are parts of cells which are unable to work without others, meaning all must have 'evolved' at the same time to produce several massive changes at once.

    finally, in arabic Allah says he created, he didnt say he changed. he could have done as there is an arabic word for this, but he didnt, he said created, meaning be and it is.
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    Re: New fossil discovered - missing link??

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    these people are obsessed with finding the missing link, it is the holy grail to them because it was the proof given by darwin for his theory.
    I think in this case its a little bit of showmanship and trying to get a mass audience. They may dance around it, but they are playing the missing link card.

    Eh, interesting find and whatever gets people interested in science and to the museums.
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