What is more imp.?

**☆ღUmm Uthmanღ☆** · 10-23-2009

Just abit curious to know from anyone their view on the two questions below, insha'Allah.

Which one of these is more important according to the Sunnah..it applies to ''MALES'' only..

1. To pray at home on time?

2. To pray at the mosque in Jamaat when its about 30-45 minutes later than the usual time for the salaah?

Looking forward for your replies insha'Allah.:smile:

**mahfuja** · 10-23-2009

"Prayer in a group is twenty-seven times better than the prayer of a man by himself." [Bukhari]

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0001P0008.aspx

**☆ღUmm Uthmanღ☆** · 10-23-2009

Originally Posted by mahfuja

"Prayer in a group is twenty-seven times better than the prayer of a man by himself." [Bukhari]

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/Hadith/H0001P0008.aspx

BarakAllahu Feeki

"If people knew what there was in the call to prayer and the first row, and they could find no other way except to draw lots for it, they would draw lots for it. And if they knew what there was in doing Dhuhr at its time, they would race each other to it. And if they knew what there was in the prayers of 'Isha 'and Subh, they would come to them even if they had to crawl."

[cf Bukhari 624]

so what are we ought to do if the Jamaat delays the time for salaat & doesn't pay heed to what u advise them with? Should we pray at home on time or delay our salaah just to pray in Jamaat??

**alcurad** · 10-23-2009

the Hanafi, Maaliki and the majority of the Shafi'ee scholars say that prayer-five daily prayers- in the congregation are Sunna, or non obligatory but preferred.

as for praying after the time had passed for no legitimate reason, it's not considered a prayer nor is it accepted.
but if one were sleeping or were busy and forgot and so on, then woke up/remembered then one should promptly pray it even though it's time is over.

so generally speaking one cannot pray any of the prayers after it's time had passed unless for a good reason.

**☆ღUmm Uthmanღ☆** · 10-24-2009

Originally Posted by alcurad

so generally speaking one cannot pray any of the prayers after it's time had passed unless for a good reason.

BarakAllahu Feek.

Well therez this masjid that prays all of their Salaah approx. 30-45 mins later than the usual time for salaah.They do have a board on the wall of the masjid where its written the right time for the Salaah, but when head members of the masjid were confronted about their late prayers, they said that the time on the board was just a guide n so was the clock on the wall.

so......

IS IT BETTER TO PRAY UR SALAAH AT ITS RIGHT TIME IN UR HOME?

or......

PRAY IT IN JAMAAT LATER THAN ITS USUAL TIME??

**S_87** · 10-24-2009

u mean they pray dhuhr when its asr time or dhuhr at dhuhr time but not straight away?

**Khaldun** · 10-24-2009

Please define what you mean by later then its time, do you mean like its time has completely passed? or you are just late?

**☆ღUmm Uthmanღ☆** · 10-24-2009

Originally Posted by Khaldun

Please define what you mean by later then its time, do you mean like its time has completely passed? or you are just late?

Just late, as i mentioned 30-45 mins later than its usual time.. Lets say Salatul Asr is 3:30pm, they pray till 4:20..

**Sampharo** · 10-25-2009

^ Sister that is not praying it OUT of its time. The prophet prayed all prayers within its accepted timespan, which is from the adhan call till the adhan call of the prayer afterwards (except fajr it is till sunrise. Many scholars also say Isha prayer is only timed till middle of the night.). There is no punishment or loss of reward if it is prayed after the adhan by a while. This is based on authenticated Hadeeth of Arch-Angel Gibreal coming to the prophet and asking him to pray at the beginning of time and the next day he came and asked him to pray at the end of its time, then telling him prayer is required at any time between those two limits. It is also authenticated that the prophet sometimes prayed the Duhr so close to Asr prayer that companions thought he was making JamAA (grouping) for travel, because he prayed it before Asr time by 10 minutes and then sat waiting for Asr to come in and prayed it.

There is a bidah (I seem to see that it's spread in Asia today) where people call the adhan for the prayer and then almost in the same breath call for the Iqama of the prayer itself. The prophet and companions did not do that: The adhan was to alert people outside the masjid to come to prayer and therefore it is more than natural that they wait for 15 to 20 minutes till people get alert, get dressed, make ablution and come to masjid. Also time is needed especially for dhuhr to make sure people arrive and pray the 4 rakkat sunnah.

Making the prayer immediately is a bidah and makes people lose the chance of getting to prayer, and also risks making prayer before its actual time if the caller of adhan was early, especially in Fajr where today there is a bad habit of making the Adhan in Fajr Katheb (false dawn) time against the literal order of the prophet.

What muslims should do when they make the call is to wait for 15 to 20 minutes before holding the Iqama till people have gathered for the JamaAAa prayer, which is 27 times better than single prayer.

Supporting Sources: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/65941

What is the ruling on delaying Fajr prayer until the sun has almost risen and not offering it at the proper time?
...

We have stated in the answer to question no. 9940 the times of the five daily prayers.

The time for Fajr prayer lasts from the onset of the true dawn until the sun starts to rise.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The time for Fajr prayer is from the breaking of dawn, so long as the sun has not started to rise.” Narrated by Muslim, 612.
If a person offers this prayer during this time, he has prayed on time. Based on this, what is mentioned in the question about praying close to sunrise not being the right time is not correct. Rather the time for Fajr prayer lasts until the sun begins to rise.

Note:
The consensus of scholars is that going to masjid IS OBLIGATORY FOR MEN, unless it's too far to hear the Adhan then it is sunnah and a legitimate excuse for not having to go. But if a man hears the adhan closely enough, he needs to go to JamaAAa prayer in masjid, otherwise he will be earning a sin. This is proven by the prophet's hadith who ordered the blind man to still go to the masjid even though he asked to stay home considering his handicap, because he said could hear the adhan to prayer. Another hadith the prophet says: "I wish I would make the call to prayer and go to the houses of those praying in their homes and burn it down upon them!" Showing what great calamity it is for men to be praying at home when they can hear the unaided Adhan call.

Supporting Source

**Snowflake** · 10-25-2009

Sis I think you confused the start time with the congregation time. Congregational salah is always prayed later than the beginning time of salah.

**Muslim Woman** · 10-25-2009

Originally Posted by Mujaheedah

so......

IS IT BETTER TO PRAY UR SALAAH AT ITS RIGHT TIME IN UR HOME?

or......

PRAY IT IN JAMAAT LATER THAN ITS USUAL TIME??

Sis , prayers at mosque are not taking place when salat time is over. Say in my country , noon salat time starts at 1 pm but Jumah salat takes place at 1. 45 pm. Surely men should go to mosque for Jamaat rather than praying alone at home.

Though I am not sure why Jamat takes place more than 30 minutes after the time begins , but men should go to mosque as they will get more rewards for that.