If you could build/carve/design/create 1 thing for your religion (God, Gods, No God, etc) what would it be? Mine would be a Shishi for a Shrine. Here is what I would "attempt" to carve:
Re: If you could build something for your religion?
An Islamic Supercenter. I think that's the best way to put it because I had first thought of putting mall/youth recreation/facility
There would be a Masjid first and foremost but also attached to the center would be an Islamic/Academic School K-12. Along with that would be a state of the art recreation center or gym for sports and such, a library, a dinner/wedding/event hall, a cafe/restaurant that sells halal food,a clinic, a Daw'ah center, stores that house and sell the latest Islamic CD's, books, electronics etc.
It would pretty much be a mini-mall/town hall/times square for Muslims. I mean, as Muslims, we're supposed to treat the Masjid as our town hall for events and to air grievances, have dialogue and discussions and the like rather then just somewhere where we just pray and hightail out of.
This would be a place that would attract non-Muslims for dialogue and have interfaith mingling and events. It would lend a helping hand out to young Muslims especially, attracting them to the Center and keeping them out of trouble by going to normal malls and functions where there is evil and temptation all around them and puts them in a positive setting and atmosphere for them to learn, have fun and build their faith.
InshAllah this should and will be something that will come to fruition one day and not just be a pipedream on a forum.
Re: If you could build something for your religion?
format_quote Originally Posted by //-Asif-\\
An Islamic Supercenter. I think that's the best way to put it because I had first thought of putting mall/youth recreation/facility
There would be a Masjid first and foremost but also attached to the center would be an Islamic/Academic School K-12. Along with that would be a state of the art recreation center or gym for sports and such, a library, a dinner/wedding/event hall, a cafe/restaurant that sells halal food,a clinic, a Daw'ah center, stores that house and sell the latest Islamic CD's, books, electronics etc.
It would pretty much be a mini-mall/town hall/times square for Muslims. I mean, as Muslims, we're supposed to treat the Masjid as our town hall for events and to air grievances, have dialogue and discussions and the like rather then just somewhere where we just pray and hightail out of.
This would be a place that would attract non-Muslims for dialogue and have interfaith mingling and events. It would lend a helping hand out to young Muslims especially, attracting them to the Center and keeping them out of trouble by going to normal malls and functions where there is evil and temptation all around them and puts them in a positive setting and atmosphere for them to learn, have fun and build their faith.
InshAllah this should and will be something that will come to fruition one day and not just be a pipedream on a forum.
Oh that sounds so dreamy.
Insha'Allah we can all work towards this one day. Oh, it sounds SO beautiful.
Aren't they building a $40 Million masjid in London or something like this?
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I would build a massive Protestant church in the center of Jerusalem. I would style it on the old Jewish Temple- that is, it'd be open air, have courts and the Holy of Holies would be substituted as the present day Church of the Holy Sepulchre, located at the center of the compund. Even though it would be majority Protestant, Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians would be perfectly welcome to worship there too. It'd be a work of art, with a capacity of around 80,000. Yes indeed.
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building something wildly ornamented for your place of worship is superficial. In fact it is said in Islam that one of the signs of the day of judgment are the decorated Qurans and mosques. a place of worship should merely protect from rain or sun, it is what is in the heart that counts not the decorations.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/87992/The-...y-of-Judgement
I imagine churches are decorated with stain glass, candles and statues and endless colored jesuses to makeup for the fatuity of the faith. If you lack substance and creed, you'll makeup for it with robust tall tales, idol effigies and ornamentation!
peace
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Re: If you could build something for your religion?
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
I imagine churches are decorated with stain glass, candles and statues and endless colored jesuses to makeup for the fatuity of the faith. If you lack substance and creed, you'll makeup for it with robust tall tales, idol effigies and ornamentation!
peace
Sad that you think that. A lot of people enjoy making stained glass windows, my aunt makes them for churches and she loves it, and its just a hobby for her not even a job...
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format_quote Originally Posted by Clover
Sad that you think that. A lot of people enjoy making stained glass windows, my aunt makes them for churches and she loves it, and its just a hobby for her not even a job...
my uncle is an engineer who also works with stain glass on the side, I just don't think hobbies have a place where you go and worship.. not there to admire the art but for the love of God!
peace
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format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
my uncle is an engineer who also works with stain glass on the side, I just don't think hobbies have a place where you go and worship.. not there to admire the art but for the love of God!
peace
Well, I don't really have a place to worship. I worship wherever is conveniant. For me, I would want Shishi in my Shrine (if I live to build one in a family shrine this is) for the purpose their meant in all Shrines (or at least all of them I know of).
I believe it depends on how people feel about where they go to worship. I know they removed the stain glass out of my old church, the clock, and all kinds of stuff, said it was taking away time to pray and study the bible. It is a blank place now, although built in the style of most churches are here.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
building something wildly ornamented for your place of worship is superficial. In fact it is said in Islam that one of the signs of the day of judgment are the decorated Qurans and mosques. a place of worship should merely protect from rain or sun, it is what is in the heart that counts not the decorations.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/87992/The-...y-of-Judgement
I imagine churches are decorated with stain glass, candles and statues and endless colored jesuses to makeup for the fatuity of the faith. If you lack substance and creed, you'll makeup for it with robust tall tales, idol effigies and ornamentation!
peace
Yeah, everyone does that though. Even Muslim extremists (AND christian, AND hindu, AND buddhist) try to use symbolism to make them look tough and scary.
RAWR!!!!!
If you do not got it, you use symbolism to get your point across.
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format_quote Originally Posted by deepfreeze66
Yeah, everyone does that though. Even Muslim extremists (AND christian, AND hindu, AND buddhist) try to use symbolism to make them look tough and scary.
RAWR!!!!!
If you do not got it, you use symbolism to get your point across.
If you do not have it, sorry had to correct that, my friend yells at me for saying got.
Not everyone does it. Some people don't even have buildings they go in nature. I know some Pagans/Wicca members who do that.
So, you think all people who put anything in their place of worship, doesn't have the point? I am confused.
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Well I personally think churches should be beautiful; indeed, many I've visited have been amongst the most stunning pieces of architecture ever concieved by human minds. They should be beautiful to reflect the beauty of God. That is of course my opinion; my church, despite being incredibly modern (and somehow incredibly rich), is a simple building. The only cross is on the glass doors into the building. I was surprised.
I also like places of worship that combine natural beauty with the beauty of the church. My avatar, the Church of the Beatitudes in Israel features the Sea of Galilee as a stunning backdrop. When I went to Greece, I found many of the stunning blue domed Orthodox churches there also had the blue sea as a backdrop. I might post some in the places of worship thread to show what I mean.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Well I personally think churches should be beautiful; indeed, many I've visited have been amongst the most stunning pieces of architecture ever concieved by human minds. They should be beautiful to reflect the beauty of God. That is of course my opinion; my church, despite being incredibly modern (and somehow incredibly rich), is a simple building. The only cross is on the glass doors into the building. I was surprised.
When a representation from the congregation of the local mosque visited our church, they commented on how they had a sense of 'The Holy' and of God's presence in the building.
That was quite a beautiful comment to hear, especially coming from non-Christians!
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
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format_quote Originally Posted by deepfreeze66
Yeah, everyone does that though. Even Muslim extremists (AND christian, AND hindu, AND buddhist) try to use symbolism to make them look tough and scary.
RAWR!!!!!
If you do not got it, you use symbolism to get your point across.
Indeed I agree, but as you can see from the link that I have included that, that, that is a sign of the end (the beginning of demise) and shows superficiality in beliefs. Early Muslims didn't have any ornamentation but they had empires they knew what mattered, now they have money and no substance. So bottom line is symbolism means nothing!
all the best
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Re: If you could build something for your religion?
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
When a representation from the congregation of the local mosque visited our church, they commented on how they had a sense of 'The Holy' and of God's presence in the building.
That was quite a beautiful comment to hear, especially coming from non-Christians!
At a guess I'd say you go to one of the beautiful old stone churches. You know the type: pre Victorian, bell tower, organ, stain glass windows, the works. Bin ich richtig?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Indeed I agree, but as you can see from the link that I have included that, that, that is a sign of the end (the beginning of demise) and shows superficiality in beliefs. Early Muslims didn't have any ornamentation but they had empires they knew what mattered, now they have money and no substance. So bottom line is symbolism means nothing!
all the best
Yes of course, I completely agree with that sentiment. I know that the prophet (pbuh) would be totally against the symbolism of today.
Clover, you must under I am from taiwan and I am HALF CHINESE.... so I cannot speak english that good! But you get the point. Read my post again and then Gossamer's post just now to get the point if you do not understand my language.
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format_quote Originally Posted by deepfreeze66
Yes of course, I completely agree with that sentiment. I know that the prophet (pbuh) would be totally against the symbolism of today.
Clover, you must under I am from taiwan and I am HALF CHINESE.... so I cannot speak english that good! But you get the point. Read my post again and then Gossamer's post just now to get the point if you do not understand my language.
I don't care if your HALF CHINESE, you speak English, and I corrected you. Life goes on.
What is the 'point' that people do not have if they are using symbols? That the world is coming to an end? If the world is truly coming to an end, using symbols isn't going to mean crap. If the world is coming to a end, it doesn't matter if you take out every single ornament or decoration, it's coming either way.
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