While I don't agree with the punishment, saudis are barbarians man?
She is just 13 year old, these people give Islam a very bad image! !
Saudi girl, 13, sentenced to 90 lashes after she took a mobile phone to school
Brutal: public floggings, such as in this archive picture, are a common punishment handed down by religious courts in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi girl, 13, sentenced to 90 lashes after she took a mobile phone to school
A 13-year-old Saudi schoolgirl is to be given 90 lashes in front of her classmates after she was caught with a mobile camera phone.
The girl, who has not been named, was also sentenced to two months in jail by a court in the eastern city of Jubail.
She had assaulted her headmistress after being caught with the gadget which is banned in girl schools, said Al-Watan, a Saudi newspaper. The kingdom's use of such punishments has been widely condemned by human rights organisations.
Three years ago 16 schoolchildren, aged between 12 and 18, were each sentenced to between 300 and 500 lashes for being aggressive to a teacher.
Under Saudi's Sharia or Islamic law, flogging is mandatory for a number of moral offences such as adultery or being alone in the company of an unrelated person of the opposite sex. But it can also be used at the discretion of judges as an alternative or in addition to other punishments.
Al-Watan said a court in the northeastern Gulf port of Jubail had sentenced the girl to 90 lashes inside her school, followed by two months' detention.
The punishment is harsher than that dished out to some robbers and looters.
Saudi Arabia, a leading US ally in the Middle East, is an absolute monarchy controlled by the Al-Saud ruling tribe, and lacks any legal code.
King Abdullah has promoted some social reforms since taking the throne in 2005 but diplomats say he is held back by religious clerics and princes.
Cinemas and music concerts are banned, while many restaurants and even some shopping centres cater to families only, especially on holidays.
Religious police roam streets to make sure no unrelated men and women mix.
The Saudi court system is exclusively controlled Wahahbi/Salafi clerics, and bans the employment of non-Salafi citizens, especially as judges.
Saudi Arabia is the world's leading country in the use of torture-by-flogging, public beheadings and publically crucifying condemned prisoners.
The country crucified two people in 2009, including one in the capital Riyadh during President Barak Obama’s visit last April.
In September, 20 Saudi teenagers who ransacked shops and restaurants were publicly flogged.
Newspapers reported that the teenagers received at least 30 lashes each in a public square.
Most of the hijackers in the September 11 attacks in 2001 came from Saudi Arabia.
this has been discussed before. Can you please stop believing in false gods of news websites and go to Saudi yourself to do investigation? After all, is not that what Prophet pbuh told us to do? Investigate the matter? And what better way to investigate than to visit the country and talk to the authorities.
Good luck.
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As for the girl; is it possible to survive 90 lashes?
What do you mean? What is the difference in luck and fate? Hasnt Allah already pre-decreed everything? What do you mean by the Western concept that "he'll need the luck?"
You have lived there yourself? How do you know that he wont get his answers? Surely, he'll get his answers from the racist and Islamophobic dailymail.
"Good luck"
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I was wondering the same thing. I heard that 40 or 50 can kill you or something.
it depends on the force with which the lashes are given. The material used. the pressure it exerts on skin. The type of skin being lashed. the type of person being lashed. his/her physiology. So no. 40 or 50 will not kill everyone.
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"Three years ago 16 schoolchildren, aged between 12 and 18, were each sentenced to between 300 and 500 lashes for being aggressive to a teacher."
"Saudi girl, 13, sentenced to 90 lashes" for bringing cellphone to school?
This should be very concerned.....
Between, what is Wahabbi Scientist?
Punishing someone for crime is better than giving 11-13 years old the encouragement to continue engaging in sexual activities via sex-education? Dont you think so?
you want that 13 year old to be given a lollipop? As far as I know, the news is not credible.
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In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
More story from Revert Sister experiencing in Saudi Arabia in which I found.
HOW CAN I ERASE THE HATE TOWARDS SAUDIS FROM MY HEART?
I AM AN AMERICAN MUSLIMAH MARRIED TO A MAN FROM SAUDI ARABIA. I AM NOT ACCUSTOMED TO THE WAY OF LIFE IN SAUDI ARABIA, BUT HAVE HEARD MANY DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND THEIR CULTURE BEFORE I CAME HERE. I HAVE BEEN HERE GOING ON 7 YEARS AND HAVE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE AND THEIR CULTURE WHICH IS NOT TO FAR FROM WHAT I AM ACCUSTOMED TO. I WAS A VERY KIND, CARING AND LOVING PERSON BUT HAVE RECENTLY BECOME TO HATE SAUDI PEOPLE. EVERY WHERE I GO THEY ARE VERY RUDE AND ARROGANT TO NOT JUST ME BUT ALSO OUR CHILDREN, WHO WERE BORN AND RAISED IN AMERICA. MANY YEARS I HAVE IGNORED THE ABUSE THAT I HAVE RECEIVED THE ENTIRE TIME I HAVE BEEN HERE.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL THE PEOPLE ARE BAD BUT TO BE HONEST I FIND THE MAJORITY OF THEM TO BE VERY RUDE AND ARROGANT. MANY TIMES I HEAR THEM TELLING ME AND OTHERS, "THAT WE ARE NOT SAUDIS AND SAUDIS ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD CAUSE THEY ARE TRUE MUSLIMS". I AM SORRY TO SAY BUT THAT IS VERY UNTRUE. I HAVE TRIED MANY TIMES TO GET HELP WITH LEARNING MORE ABOUT ISLAM BUT ALL I GET FROM EVERY PLACE I GO TO, TO EVERY PERSON I TALK WITH IS, SORRY YOUR SLOWING THE GROUP DOWN AND WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE YOU IN OUR CLASS. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MUSLIMS IN SAUDI THAT THEY DONT REALIZE THE REWARDS THEY WILL GET FOR HELPING NEW MUSLIMS UNDERSTAND ISLAM BETTER?
MY CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ATTACKED MANY TIMES AND EVEN HURT BY OTHER CHILDREN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE AMERICANS. TRUE WE ARE AMERICANS BUT WE ARE ALSO MUSLIMS, DOESNT THAT ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING HERE? I HAVE PUT UP WITH ABOUT ALL I CAN TAKE AND HAVE STARTED TO FIGHT BACK WHICH IS SOMETHING I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD DO. BUT I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE PEOPLE THINKING THEY ARE BETTER BECAUSE THEY ARE SAUDI. TREATING OTHERS POORLY BASED ON THEIR ORIGIN IS VERY WRONG. YES, I KNOW THIS ALSO HAPPENS TO MANY ARABS WHO GO TO AMERICA AS WELL AND TRULY I AM SORRY FOR THEM TO GO THRU THAT AT ALL. NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I EVER TREATED ANY ONE SO POORLY.
I SEE ARAB KIDS SPITTING AND HITTING THE WORKERS IN THEIR COUNTRY WHO ARE NOT SAUDIS BUT FROM PAKISTAN, INDIA, EGYPT AND OTHER AREAS OF THE WORLD. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE OF ISLAM? WHY IS THERE NO LOVE IN THIS COUNTRY FOR OTHERS OTHER THAN SAUDIS? CAUSE OF THESE BEHAVIORS I HAVE STARTED TO HATE THE SAUDI PEOPLE AND FIND MYSELF FIGHTING CONSTANTLY WITH THEM WHEN THEY ARE RUDE TO ME. I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I JUST STAY HOME TO AVOID ANY CONFRONTATIONS BUT I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER. IT SEEMS THAT ONLY THE RELIGIOUS SAUDIS ARE KIND AND CARING BUT THOSE ARE HARD TO FIND AND VERY RARE. I DONT WISH TO GO THRU ANYMORE PAIN NOR MY CHILDREN FROM ARROGANT PEOPLE WHO ONLY WISH TO HURT OTHERS CAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL BIG. PLEASE HELP ME TO ERASE THE HATE I HAVE IN MY HEART DUE TO ALL THE HATRED I HAVE BEEN THRU WHILE IN SAUDI ARABIA.
DESPERATE FOR GUIDANCE, A SISTER IN ISLAM
"When the Qur'an is read, Listen to it with attention, And hold your peace: That ye may receive Mercy" ~ 7:204
"Then do ye remember Me; I will remember You. Be grateful to Me, And reject not Faith. ~ 2:152
Punishing someone for crime is better than giving 11-13 years old the encouragement to continue engaging in sexual activities via sex-education? Dont you think so?
you want that 13 year old to be given a lollipop? As far as I know, the news is not credible.
Today, WE have a technology to prevent sexual activities and bad influences on youth .......from Internet filters, only government capable to do it. For instance, China government blocked filth websites including cellphones, ipod, etc. THat's very simple...
Thank you for your explanation !
UPDATE: LET ME SEARCH THREAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSING HERE, OKAY I GUESS NOT RELIABLE. Wasalaam!
Last edited by Humbler_359; 02-03-2010 at 04:12 AM.
"When the Qur'an is read, Listen to it with attention, And hold your peace: That ye may receive Mercy" ~ 7:204
"Then do ye remember Me; I will remember You. Be grateful to Me, And reject not Faith. ~ 2:152
More story from Revert Sister experiencing in Saudi Arabia in which I found.
I got stoned by bedouin (bedu) kids as a young brown boy too but I did not decide to yell (all letters in caps) like that revert sister. What she did is exactly what she is complaining of.
Many Saudis are amazing people. Many are not. Just like how many Americans are amazing people. Many are not. She raised an important point though, people hated her because she is American. That just shows that we need to get rid of these nationalities. There is no reality in being an American, its a temporary thing which might change 500 years down the road. All I know is that a Muslim does not love to stick to his/her nationality especially when the government of that nation is killing Muslims.
But whatever injustices were done to that revert, may Allah compensate her for them.
Last edited by CosmicPathos; 02-03-2010 at 04:21 AM.
Help me to escape from this existence
I yearn for an answer... can you help me?
I'm drowning in a sea of abused visions and shattered dreams
In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
It's understandable why a mobile device would be banned from an educational institution, but I find the repercussions to be pretty dramatic. The flogging of a minor for such a minor offense, shouldn't even be legal. Islam advocates for the physical,emotional, and spiritual well-being of all, and stands against dhulm (oppression) even in the smallest degree. It's really unfortunate to see the Shariah of Islam being twisted, and modified to even apply to the smallest offenses. We (Muslims) are given the attribute of Wasad (In betweenness/Moderation), we should be moderate in all things, and not fall into the extreme side of the spectrum. Yet, again as brother Wa7abi Scientist indicated, "How are we to really know the source of the article?"
As for the girl; is it possible to survive 90 lashes?
While I suspect it is quite painful, I doubt if any serious injury is caused. this is actually a very common punishment world wide and to some extent still used for school children in some western schools.
It is also widely used in China and south east Asia where it is called caning.
It seems like it only comes to attention when it is used in Saudi.
i had asked an arab sister about this. she said the story is fake. there laws are not that brutel. its all lies she said. also it might be that they might be more to there story but all she told me is that they don't do those types of things to any school girl!!!
What do you mean? What is the difference in luck and fate? Hasnt Allah already pre-decreed everything? What do you mean by the Western concept that "he'll need the luck?"
You have lived there yourself? How do you know that he wont get his answers? Surely, he'll get his answers from the racist and Islamophobic dailymail.
"Good luck"
You said:
format_quote Originally Posted by Wa7abiScientist
And what better way to investigate than to visit the country and talk to the authorities.
Good luck.
To this I replied "He'll certainly need the luck".
I don't recall anyone mentioning the Daily Mail, or racism, or Islamophobia. My comment simply meant that the Saudi authorities won't like to be questioned about the methods they use to punish people, and may react in an undesirable way.
i have heard many stories that arabs are highly ignorant people and they treat workers like slaves etc they also take there passport away from them any workers that moves there for work purely they cannot keep there passport. but i dont believe fully in this story
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
its all -------s to show women being oppressed in muslim countries, they'll never mention a man being subjected to shariah punishment for things like zina etc
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