eating with non muslim friends

[innocent]

Salam alaikum.
I know it is not permissible to eat at a table where alcohol is being served but

is it permissible to be eating in a place that serves alcohol in the first place?

Also does this apply to to pork as well if one of my friends is eating pork can I sit with her?

What about if its chicken but its not halal?

jazakallah khair.

[Muslim Woman]

Salam alaikum.

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is it permissible to be eating in a place that serves alcohol in the first place? .

surely it's better to avoid the place where alcohol is available and served.


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Also does this apply to to pork as well if one of my friends is eating pork can I sit with her? .

Never heard / read that we can't sit if pork is there . But again , it's better to avoid those places where haram foods are available and served. Mistakenly u may eat/ drink forbidden items.


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What about if its chicken but its not halal?

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see above

[Hamza Asadullah]

Salam alaikum.
I know it is not permissible to eat at a table where alcohol is being served but

is it permissible to be eating in a place that serves alcohol in the first place?

Also does this apply to to pork as well if one of my friends is eating pork can I sit with her?

What about if its chicken but its not halal?

jazakallah khair.

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,


There are few scenarios to this question:


If eating with non-Muslim work-colleagues entails one eating unlawful (haram) food such as pork, or drinking alcohol or taking part in prohibited practices, such as music, dancing of semi-nude women, etc, then this would be prohibited.


The reason behind this is obvious, in that one must abstain from unlawful things unless there is a dire need, and there is no real need here which may make prohibited things permissible. Thus, if one participates in parties where one is involved in eating unlawful and impure things, or there are other unlawful practices in which one takes part willingly or unwillingly, then this would be sinful.


Shaykh Mufti Taqi Usmani (Allah preserve him) sums this up in one of his Fatawa: He states:


'It is not proper for Muslims to bow down before such avenues of sin. The challenges to what Islam forbids being experienced by you give you all the more occasion to stay firm on your Faith. And should the Muslims living in non-Muslims countries (and they are not that few) could get to agree on not participating in such functions, chances are that non-Muslims themselves would be left with no reasonable option but to weed out such disagreeable practices from their functions. (See: Contemporary Fatawa, p. 292)


If the party or gathering is connected to some religious event of the non-Muslims, such as Christmas parties, then also it will be impermissible for one to participate. The reason behind this is that, by taking part in their religious functions and gatherings, one will be indirectly approving of their disbelief (kufr) and their religion. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade Muslims to even offer their own Salat at the time of sunrise, zenith and sunset, for there was an element of outwardly resembling the sun worshippers.


The third situation is, (which is the most common) eating with non-Muslims without one having to eat and indulge into unlawful practices, but at the same time, they are drinking wine and eating unlawful (haram) meat, etc.


The ruling with regards to such situations is that, to make a habit of this would be impermissible. However, if there is a genuine need (such as work get-togethers) and it is done infrequently, then it would be permissible, provided one does not be affected by the ways and practices of the Kuffar.


The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) also accepted the invitation of a non-Muslim by eating at his house. Ibn Qudama (the great Hanbali jurist (Allah have mercy on him) states:


'If a Non-believer (dhimmi) invites one for the marriage feast (walima), our (hanbali) scholars state that it will not be binding to accept such invitation, for accepting the invitation of a Muslim is based on respect, love and brotherhood (which is not the case will non-Muslims), and there is a possibility of their food being contaminated with unlawful and impure substances. However, it will be permissible to accept their invitation because of what Sayyiduna Anas (Allah be pleased with him) narrated that a Jew invited the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to come and join him for barley bread and soup, and the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) accepted his invitation. (al-Mugni, vol.7, p.3)


Similarly, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) invited non-Muslims to his house.


Sayyiduna Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) invited a non-believer (kafir) to his house for food. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) commanded that a goat be milked for him. It was milked and he drank its milk. Then the second one was milked and he drank its milk, and then another goat was milked and he drank its milk until he drank the milk of seven goats. On the next morning he embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) commanded that a goat should be milked for him and he drank its milk and then another was milked but he did not finish it, whereupon the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: 'A believer drinks in one intestine while a non-believer drinks in seven intestines.' (Sahih Muslim, no. 2063)


The above was the practice of the beloved of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) in compliance with the statement of Allah Most High:


'Allah forbids you not, with regards to those who fight you not concerning your faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for Allah loves those who are just.' (Surah al-Mumtahinah, 8)


It is stated in al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya:


Is it permissible to eat with a fire-worshipper or any other non-believer? It has been related from Hakim Imam Abd al-Rahman al-Katib that, if a Muslim was afflicted and confronted with this once or twice, then there is nothing wrong with that, but to make a habit of this would be (prohibitively) disliked.' (al-Fatawa al-Hindiyya, 5/347)


In conclusion, it will be impermissible to eat with non-Muslims (or even Muslims) if it entails one participating in unlawful things, or if the food party is connected to a religious event of the non-Muslims. Besides that, if one eats with them now and then without forming a habit, and limits it to the genuine need, then there is nothing wrong with that.


And Allah knows best


Sheikh Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK

[innocent]

Well i sometimes go out with my non-muslim friends from work. Not often maybe once or twice a year. And the harvester is the nearest place and its cheap so thats where we go. I could ask them to refrain from alcohol while we are there but do I have to tell them they cant eat pork as well?

[CosmicPathos]

Well i sometimes go out with my non-muslim friends from work. Not often maybe once or twice a year. And the harvester is the nearest place and its cheap so thats where we go. I could ask them to refrain from alcohol while we are there but do I have to tell them they cant eat pork as well?

of course. WHat if the steam rising from that cooked bacon enters your mouth just because of close proximity? What if microscopic splashes of oil etc from that pork fall onto your meal?

[innocent]

Does it also apply for non-halal meat eg lamb chicken etc?

[Hamza Asadullah]

Well i sometimes go out with my non-muslim friends from work. Not often maybe once or twice a year. And the harvester is the nearest place and its cheap so thats where we go. I could ask them to refrain from alcohol while we are there but do I have to tell them they cant eat pork as well?

the harvester is a pub therefore it will not be permnissable for you to go there. If you can avoid meeting your non Muslim friends/colleagues for meals then it is best to avoid it but if you do meet them then it cannot be in a pub/bar or a place where alcohol is served and it has to be only very seldom and not often.

and Allah knows best