I think this is called 'soft war' or power, the West is destroying Muslim countries from within and very succesfully! Let's not fool ourselves.
Salam,
I read an article about Turkish society and how it's rapidly 'westernizing'. In urban centers, zina has become the norm. Even young girls aged 16-17 are having sex outside marriage and even worse; they don't hide it anymore, there is no shame whatsoever. People seem to have accepted this 'new' lifestyle. Once, Turkey was a Muslim nation, but not anymore. I feel so sad and ashamed.
Maybe I should change my nationality and become Egyptian or Malaysian or Saudi Arabian. Please don't tell me it's the same in your country. To what extent do you think western culture and porn and other filth is affecting your country? This is deeply saddening, I really can't believe it because only 15-20 years ago this was inconceivable.
I think this is called 'soft war' or power, the West is destroying Muslim countries from within and very succesfully! Let's not fool ourselves.
Agreed. This will stop when and only whe, the Muslims all return to the Qur'an and Sunnah insha'allah.
Well, obviously, that's not the case. People are turning to kufr.
Trust me, if anyone who ever said the sha'hada, and implemented the Qur'an and Sunnah into our lives, surely we would not be being corrupted.
but why this is shocking sure i see it all the time muslims getting non muslim girls pregnant outside of marriage. this is nothing new in the west
on top of that what influence are they giving to the non muslims also. they are not representing islam so they should be all punished by shariah
nowadays im seeing christcian girls waiting outside of the mosque for there muslim boyfriends.
Western ideas have always been the worst thing to have ever affected the ummah, the islamic caliphate broke down because of western idea of nationalism.format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
We are not talking about Muslims in the West, but Muslims in Turkey. You know, that so-called Muslim country.format_quote Originally Posted by cat eyes
And why would you pray at a mosque when you have a girlfriend 'waiting outside'?! What kind of nonsense is this, do these people think they are fooling God? A large number of Muslims seem to think that as long as they pray they will enter heaven regardless of what they do.
Last edited by Argamemnon; 04-12-2010 at 05:51 PM.
No, Turkey is still a Muslim nation, But the problem is that the Turkish government is no more applying the basic islamic laws. You can't have a Muslim community just by gathering muslim people, you should also provide an islamic leading/government : punishment (for zina, killing, robbery...), promotion of islam, making Ibadah more easy for people, that's the responsibility of the islamic goverment. Believe me, without a good islamic government/leading muslims can easily make horrible sins.format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
I'm not well informed about the turkish government, but I think it's tending to be laic (secular), because they think Islam is a brake for "progress" and "freedom" (the dream of some "Kamal Ataturk" guy). Actually many other islamic governments are doing the same thing under the pressure of the west. There is many islamic countries (other than Turkey) where goverment is banning the hijab in some places : do you think this type of government will care about stopping zina or wine drinking by muslims ?
We are all in the same "pot" , May allah help us and protect us from this fitna.
Last edited by marwen; 04-12-2010 at 05:58 PM.
Well, there is a "Presidency of Religious Affairs" but I have no idea what they are doing!format_quote Originally Posted by marwen
Here is their site in English; http://www.diyanet.gov.tr/English/default.asp
Argamemnon surely as you know that Turkey is becoming westernized you must also know that it is prophesized that it will be won back with two words ''Allah Akbar'' for now you can guard yourself and change what you can however small and have faith that Allah's promise shall be fulfilled insha'Allah..
islam will return to turkey and as you probably know this has slowly started already..they've had enough of secularism
InshAllah, Can you give me some references about this please, is it a sign thats meant to be fulfilled?format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Abd'Allâh ibn 'Amr said, "I went to the Prophet (peace be upon him) one day whilst he was performing Wudu' (ablution) slowly and carefully. He raised his head, looked at me and said, 'Six things will happen to this Ummah: the death of your Prophet - 'and when I heard that I was aghast,' - this is the first. The second is that your wealth will increase so much that if a man were given ten thousand, he would still not be content with it. The third is that tribulation will enter the house of every one of you. The fourth is that sudden death will be widespread. The fifth is a peace-treaty between you and the Romans: they will gather troops against you for nine months - like a woman's period of childbearing - then they will be the first to break the treaty. The sixth is the conquest of a city.' I asked, 'O Messenger of Allâh, which city?' He said, 'Constantinople.' " (Ahmad)
After the battle with the Romans, which ended with the conquest of Constantinople, the Dajjal will appear, and Jesus son of Mary will descend from Heaven to the earth, to the white minaret in the east of Damascus, at the time of Salat al-Fajr (the morning prayer), as we shall see in the Saheeh Traditions.Dhu Mukhammar said, "The Prophet (pbuh) said, 'You will make a peace-treaty with the Romans, and together you will invade an enemy beyond Rome. You will be victorious and take much booty. Then you will camp in a hilly pasture; one of the Roman men will come and raise a cross and say "Victory to the Cross", so one of the Muslims will come and kill him. Then the Romans will break the treaty, and there will be a battle. They will gather an army against you and come against you with eighty banners, each banner followed by 10,000 men.' " (Ahmad, Abû Dâwûd, Ibn Majah.)Abû Hurayrah said, "The Prophet said, 'The Hour will not come until the Romans camp at al-A'mash or Dabiq. An army, composed of the best people on earth at that time, will come out from Madînah to meet them. When they have arranged themselves in ranks, the Romans will say, 'Do not stand between us and those who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them.' One-third will run away, and Allâh will never forgive them. One-third will be killed, and they will be the best of martyrs in Allâh's sight. One-third, who will never be subjected to trials or tribulations, will win, and will conquer Constantinople. Whilst they are sharing out the booty, after hanging their swords on the olive-trees, Satan will shout to them that the Dajjal has taken their place among their families. When they come to Syria, the Dajjal will appear, while they are preparing for battle and drawing up the ranks. When the time for prayer comes, Jesus the son of Mary will descend and lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allâh (i.e. the Dajjal) sees him, he will start to dissolve like salt in water, but Allâh will kill him.' " (Muslim.)
The Prophet said, "The Hour will not come until the furthest border of the Muslims will be in Bula." Then he said, "O 'Alî!" 'Alî said, "May my father and mother be sacrificed for you!" The Prophet said, "You will fight the Romans, and those who come after you will fight them, until the best people among the Muslims, the people of al-Hijaz, will go out to fight them, fearing nothing but Allâh. They will conquer Constantinople with Tasbih and Takbir (saying "Subhan Allâh" and "Allâhu Akbar"), and they will obtain booty the like of which has never been seen - they will share it out by scooping it up with their sheilds. Someone will come and say, 'The Dajjal has appeared in your land', but he will be lying. Anyone who takes notice of him will regret it, and anyone who ignores him will regret it." (Ibn Majah.)
http://www.lutonmuslims.co.uk/Signs.htm
Indeed Turkey inshallah will return to Islam. It was Salahu-din who took back Falasteen and other Muslim lands from the crusaders. I believe he was turkish. The last Khalifah was in Turkey. The jew kemal abolishd turkey and changed it to an secular extremist state but inshallah they are coming back. Erdogan and his islamic party has won and are in charge now. Previously attempts of Islamic parties to win were disrupted by the secular army but not this time. Turkey, a very close alley of israel once is no more, Islam is spreading more and more youth are returning to islam. The secular old fools and remnants of kemal's terrorist kuffar regime are dieing away. inshallah only matter of time before turkey rises again against the kuffars once more.
^Alhamdullilah, that comforts me. in my college there are many turkish kids, i only found out they were muslim after my first year.
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
Turkey is gorgeous... I tihnk we all have bad aspects in our countries and cultures, you just take the good and leave the bad. And I think most countries fantacize about being more western... countries where half the population is living on the street look how to modernify their lifestyles - speaking from what I've seen that is - so it's not just Turkey.
Actually, that's not true. Turkey is westernizing even more. The difference is that those people in rural areas, who are traditionally deeply attached to Islam, are now becoming more educated and more powerful in society - including women. They are now participating in politics, business and in other fields.format_quote Originally Posted by Abdullahii
Unlike most other Muslim nations, in Turkey we have "gay pride parades" and atheist organizations.format_quote Originally Posted by GuCcI
Last edited by Argamemnon; 04-12-2010 at 09:01 PM.
Okay, so I dont know of any other 'muslim country' that has those, but think of it this way - what about those who are born in non-muslim countries, canada, US, etc. and become muslim later on. their nationalities too, have these aspects which they are not proud of. If you can't change something with your own hands then the least you can do is hate it in your heart. And I think you do that pretty wellformat_quote Originally Posted by ArgamemnonIt's dissapointing I know, but looking at it on a more personal level and not a national scale, I'd rather be more concered about what I'm doing right and wrong.
Anyway, at least Turkey will return... I don't see hope for my own country lol
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