Love the sinner hate the sin?

[aadil77]

A member has brought this up that we should love foreign soldiers for killings muslims, but 'disagree' with their deeds. Anyone know if this is the attitude we should have in islam, to 'love the sinner but hate the sin'. By this thinking we could all love hitler or osama bin laden.

Please provide evidence for your statements

[Asiyah3]

I have no comment on the 'love the sinner', but about hating the sin. Surely, in Islam we should hate the sin.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand (by taking action); if he cannot, then with his tongue (by speaking out); and if he cannot, then with his heart (by hating it and feeling that it is wrong).” (Narrated by Muslim, 49).

My personal opinion to the 'hate the sinner' is that we shouldn't do so, coz' we can't really know if the person has repented from the sin or not (or if he feels bad doing it) or the reasons for it. My point is that we can't judge him by that sin he commits without having the sufficient knowledge. On the other hand, I think it's ok to judge a person based on his deeds such as Hitler or Osama. But that person might do alot more good deeds that we don't know of. Allah knows best.

Edit: To add an example- My uncle was killed by a ruler. Overall the ruler was a good person. He gave people their rights and granted them justice and security. Regardless, many ignorant outsiders use the killings the ruler committed (my uncle among them) as a justification for their own parties' wrongdoings, though, in fact, he did it for a just reason. Now I could've hold a grudge against him for that action he committed if I would've been judgmental or inconsiderate.

[aadil77]

Ok I can understand that from a muslim perspective, but what about non-muslims? We believe that their deeds will not be forgiven

Alot of people will promote that we should love everybody and only 'disagree' with sins, christians do this alot even though it is not part of their faith

[cat eyes]

well for a kafir it means hate the person too. i mean how could you love somebody who is killing our brothers and sisters?

[Skavau]

well for a kafir it means hate the person too. i mean how could you love somebody who is killing our brothers and sisters?

All 'kafir' are actively killing muslims?

[cat eyes]

All 'kafir' are actively killing muslims?

where did i say that

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Aslaamu aaaykum

Whatever the issue..i disagree ...i think it should be "Sinner is a Human SO,Hate the Sin" rather...sorry i dont have no evidence..

So yeahh

Wa alaaykum Salaam

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

or it can be "Love the Sinner,Hate the sin" whichever way makes sense..

Should feel sorry for the SINNER,theyre going to be in big trouble !

[Skavau]

where did i say that

"well for a kafir it means hate the person too. i mean how could you love somebody who is killing our brothers and sisters?"

If you don't mean it, did you suggest hating all kafir anyway?

[cat eyes]

"well for a kafir it means hate the person too. i mean how could you love somebody who is killing our brothers and sisters?"

If you don't mean it, did you suggest hating all kafir anyway?

hummmm let me think......well NO of course NOT. why would i hate every kafir for?? its not what my religion tells me to do.

[glo]

Another interesting question might be whether God 'loves the sinner, but hates the sin'?

Does God (according to Islam) not show mercy and forgiveness, even when people don't deserve it?
Does that mean he loves us, even when we fall, fail and let him down?

[Skavau]

hummmm let me think......well NO of course NOT. why would i hate every kafir for?? its not what my religion tells me to do.

I don't know.Your sentence reads as if you were suggesting that all kafir should be hated.

[Asiyah3]

I don't know.Your sentence reads as if you were suggesting that all kafir should be hated.

I believe she was referring to this:

A member has brought this up that we should love foreign soldiers for killings muslims

[Asiyah3]

Ok I can understand that from a muslim perspective, but what about non-muslims? We believe that their deeds will not be forgiven

Alot of people will promote that we should love everybody and only 'disagree' with sins, christians do this alot even though it is not part of their faith

I can't think of any non-muslims that I hate. Though I think that I do have a right to hate those who have hurt me without any (just) reason. I don't think that such folks deserve to be given any status for feelings (even hate), I just know that I don't want to do anything with them.

I like/dislike non-muslims based on their actions (considering their intention). If a non-muslim has wronged me, but is afterwards sincerily sorry and has repented from it, then I would forgive her insha'llah.

'love everybody'? What our religion teaches us holds much more wisdom; kind and just treatment equally to all.

[aadil77]

Another interesting question might be whether God 'loves the sinner, but hates the sin'?

Does God (according to Islam) not show mercy and forgiveness, even when people don't deserve it?
Does that mean he loves us, even when we fall, fail and let him down?

hmm I was also thinking of it from gods views, I don't think we can say whether He loves us all regardless of sin and disbelief

Allah shows mercy and forgiveness to the believers as far as I know, not sure about forgiveness to disbelievers as it wouldn't make sense

[aadil77]

I can't think of any non-muslims that I hate. Though I think that I do have a right to hate those who have hurt me without any (just) reason. I don't think that such folks deserve to be given any status for feelings (even hate), I just know that I don't want to do anything with them.

I like/dislike non-muslims based on their actions (considering their intention). If a non-muslim has wronged me, but is afterwards sincerily sorry and has repented from it, then I would forgive her insha'llah.

'love everybody'? What our religion teaches us holds much more wisdom; kind and just treatment equally to all.

Well I can think of plenty of non-muslims I hate, starting with those who are at war with us. Those that have oppressed us, raped our sisters, made young children into orphans, tortured our brothers, ridiculed our religion etc etc the list goes on and on.

I don't think the 'love everybody' mentality works in islam, like you said we are taught alot more wisdom, we'll deal with everyone with respect and justice but it doesn't mean we have to love them. Love is a very strong emotion, not everyone deserves it.

[glo]

hmm I was also thinking of it from gods views, I don't we can say whether He loves us all regardless of sin and disbelief

Allah shows mercy and forgiveness to the believers as far as I know, not sure about forgiveness to disbelievers as it wouldn't make sense

In that sense nobody is beyond God's mercy and forgiveness, don't you think?

If Hitler, in the moments before his death, had sincerely repented all his horrendous sins and submitted to God, would God have forgiven him?

[Abdul-Raouf]

Love the sinner hate the sin


^^ Above statement is little bit sensible only if the sinner stopped sinning...

But even that becomes negligible if it is a big sin --> which should result in capital punishment.


Intentions matters most! - and that is visible only to ALLAH and HE is the best JUDGE.

[aadil77]

In that sense nobody is beyond God's mercy and forgiveness, don't you think?

If Hitler, in the moments before his death, had sincerely repented all his horrendous sins and submitted to God, would God have forgiven him?

no the same way He didn't to pharoah when he submitted when he was drowning, but I can't say for certain - Allah Knows Best

[glo]

no the same way He didn't to pharoah when he submitted when he was drowning, but I can't say for certain - Allah Knows Best

Yes, I have always wondered about Pharaoh, and about how he seemed to be destined by God to be the bad guy in the plot. The Bible mentions several time God stating that he would 'harden Pharaoh's heart'.

I cannot recall the Bible mentioning that Pharaoh repented and submitted to God when he was drowning, and that God did not have mercy on him. Does the Qu'ran say so specifically?

I hope and pray that God's love and forgiveness is greater than our human hearts and minds can comprehend ...