In 1963, an inhabitant of Derinkuyu (in the region of Cappadocia, central Anatolia, Turkey), knocking down a wall of his house cave, discovered amazed that behind it was a mysterious room that he had never seen, and this led him room to another and another and another to it ... By chance he had discovered the underground city of Derinkuyu, whose first level could be excavated by the Hittites around 1400 BC
Archaeologists began to explore this fascinating underground city abandoned. It managed to forty meters deep, but is believed to have a fund of up to 85 meters.
At present 20 levels have been discovered underground. Only eight can be visited at the highest levels; others are partially blocked or restricted to archaeologists and anthropologists who study Derinkuyu.
The city was used as a refuge for thousands of people living in the basement for protection from the frequent invasions suffered Cappadocia, at various times of their occupation, and by the early Christians.
The enemies, aware of the danger that enclosed inside the city, usually the people who were trying to leave the area by poisoning wells.
The interior is striking: the underground galleries of Derinkuyu (where there is room for at least 10,000 people) could hang on three strategic points moving circular stone door. These heavy rocks that shut down the aisle prevented the entry of the enemies. Were between 1 to 1.5 meters in height, about 50 centimeters wide and weighing up to 500 Kilos.
In the picture above shows how the circular stone door closed the aisle, isolating the inhabitants of the subsoil
In addition, Derinkuyu has a tunnel about 8 miles long that leads to another underground city of Cappadocia, Kaymakli.
Of the underground cities of this area spoke the Greek historian Xenophon. In his work Anábasis explained that people who lived in Anatolia had dug their homes and were living in underground shelters large enough for a family, your pets and supplies of food stored.
Recovered at the stables have been located, dining, a church (cruciform plan of 20 by 9 meters with a ceiling of more than three meters high), kitchens (yet ennegrecidas by soot from the fires which was lit for cooking ), Presses for wine and olive oil, wine, food shops, a school, numerous rooms and even a bar.
The city benefited from the existence of an underground river, water wells and had a wonderful ventilation system (52 wells have been discovered vents) that amazes engineers today.
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Very cool, thank you for sharing! I love reading about stuff like that... and inshAllah one day I will get to visit Turkey! Right after visiting Hagia Sophia, this is next on the list.
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format_quote Originally Posted by .iman.
Very cool, thank you for sharing! I love reading about stuff like that... and inshAllah one day I will get to visit Turkey! Right after visiting Hagia Sophia, this is next on the list.
I love watching pictures of places like these but i have no plan to go there
Im actually scared of underground houses :scared: But when you'll visit Sophia,dont forget to share the pictures with us
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Imagine what it'd be like down going there and seeing for yourself?
Be prepared for a short ride into he depths of the earth... rollercoasters haven't got anything on this experience. Mind blowing only begins to describe it
And for some amazing images of Derinkuyu, it doesn't get better than this:
I've known about Derinkuyu for a few years now. There are similar cavern type structures (underground) all over the world. Some of the most famous are in south America... this prompted me to do some research into the myths behind them. A lot of what the History channel propagates in relation to Aliens and stuff is bunch of crap tbh, but I did find out some pretty interesting facts in relation to prophetic hadeeth and ayah from the Quran, as well as nautical expeditions which pertain to these findings.
Anyone ever heard of Hollow Earth? A quick heads up here:
Abdul Daryabadi :
His is whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever on the earth and - whatsoever is in-between. and whatsoever is underneath the earth.
Dr. Mohsin :
To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth, and all that is between them, and all that is under the soil.
Pickthal :
Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and whatsoever is between them, and whatsoever is beneath the sod.
Yusuf Ali :
To Him belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all beneath the soil.
Every strata or layer of creations, there exist entire kingdoms and civilizations ALL belong to the Creator - Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala....
p/s: this is not the only indication of the Inner EarthACKNOWLEDGEMENT in the Quran. There are more ayah in relation to this in the Quran also.
THE QURAN ON MOUNTAINS
Professor Siaveda , one of the best known marine geologists from Japan. He is also one of the most famous scientists in the world. When he was asked about mountains and whether they were firmly rooted in the earth. He replied and said:
The fundamental difference between continental mountains and the oceanic mountains lies in its material. Continental mountains are made essentially by sediments, whereas the oceanic mountains are made of volcanic rocks. Continental mountains were formed by compressional forces, whereas the oceanic mountains were formed by extensional forces. But the common denominator on both mountains are that they have roots to support the mountains. In the case of continental mountains, light-low density material from the mountain is extended down into the earth as a root. In the case of oceanic mountains, there is also light material supporting the mountain as a root, but in the case of oceanic mountain this material is not light because the composition is light, but it is hot, therefore expanded somewhat. But from the viewpoint of densities, they are doing the same job of supporting the mountains. Therefore, the function of the roots are to support the mountains according to the law of Archimedes.
Professor Siaveda described the shape of all mountains whether they are on land or in the sea as being in the shape of a wedge. Could anyone during the time of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) have known of the shape of these mountains? Could anyone imagine that the solid massive mountain that he sees before him actually extends deep into the earth and has a root as scientists assure. A large number of geography books when discussing mountains, only describe that part which is on the surface of the earth. This is because they are not written by specialists in geology, but modern science informs us about it and Allah says in the Qur’aan:
And the mountains as pegs. (Qur’aan 78:7).
We asked Professor Sievada whether the mountains have a function in establishing the crust of the earth.
He said that this has not yet been discovered and established by scientists. In view of the reply we searched and inquired about this and we found out that many geologists gave the same reply, except for a few. Among those few are the authors of this book, entitled This book is considered as a basic reference text in many universities throughout the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press.
He is currently the President of the Academy of Sciences in USA. Previously, he was science advisor to former U.S. President Jimmy Carter. What does he say in his book? He illustrates the mountains in a wedge like shape where the mountain itself is but a small part of the whole whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground. Dr. Press writes on the functions of "The Earth". the mountains and states that they play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth. This is exactly how the Qur’aan described mountains 14 centuries ago.
But now I'd like you all to think of the possible link between Yajuj wa Majuj (Gog and Magog) and these homes inside of mountainous regions and under the earth.
Excerpted from Qaf: the Mysterious Emerald Mountain Decoded by Shaykh Mohamad Yasin Owadally
The following tradition is attributed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and is recorded by Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari rahimahullah in, ‘Chronique de Tabari’.
Here is how the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied concerning Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa:
“These are two cities, one in the East and one in the West. Djaboulqa is in the East and Djaboulsa in the West. These cities are of emerald and both are linked to the mountain Qaf. They have both twelve thousand parasang2 in length and twelve thousand parasang in width.”
The Prince of Believers Ali (peace be upon him) son of Abu Talib was in presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) when the Jews came from Khaibar, Fadak and those of Beji Qoraidha. The Jews came with Abu Jehal and Walid-ben-Mogaira to see that, what the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said was tally with the Pentateuch and the traditions.
Hazrat Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) said, “O Apostle of Allah, these two cities (Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa) are they in the same world we are living?”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “The two cities are situated in darkness and contiguous to the mountain Qaf.”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “How many inhabitants are there in these places?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “Each of these cities has fortresses and in each fortress there is a garrison of 1000 men who keep on guard each night. The tour (of guard duty) of the men who once keep on guard does not return until the next year”.
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “why should there be so great number of people to guard on that place?”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “Because in these places there are an enormous quantity of gems which belongs to these people whom we call-Tharis and Taqil, they are the enemy of the Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa. They are unceasingly at war night and day. They fight with themselves. It is because of these people that there are these guards and these sentinels”.
Hazrat Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “do the inhabitants of Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa form part of the children of Adam?”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “they do not even know Adam.”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “has the devil penetrated there?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “neither do they know it (the devil).”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked “do the sun and the moon shine on them?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “They know not that Allah has created the sun and the moon.”
Hazrat Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “But how they see?” Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “light come to them from the mountain Qaf, and their walls, their stones, and their dusts are all shining as lights.”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) “O Apostle of Allah, what do they eat?”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “the herbs that grow on the earth”. Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “what do they wear?”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “they have no need to cover their bodies with garments.”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) added, “so, they are angels.”
Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “No, but their obedience to Allah is similar to the angels.”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “do they have children?”
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “they desire not to have for they are all males and they have no females.”
Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) replied, “are they among the Elects or of the ****ed?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “they are among the Elects, because they follow the religion and the laws. And they have professed Islam. In the night of Mi’raj when Jibrail took me to heaven, he took me thence to these people. I offered them Islam, they believed in me and in Allah. I appointed a Caliph among them from among their own nation and I taught them Islam. Jibrail then took me to Tharis and Taqil and towards Yajuj and Majuj; they were infidels and did not accept Islam.”
Then Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) asked, “O, Apostle of Allah, can any man reach that place?” The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “No man has the power to reach these people because one has to walk four months in darkness! Meanwhile at the time of Prophet Hud, three men among the Adites3 who became Muslim and who believed in the Prophet Hud, fled their people, and reached these cities.”
Some people pretended that Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa are situated to where the sun sets. We are also told that, the inhabitants of Earth would have heard the rising and the setting of the sun, had not these people created tumults and noises at these cities. Dhul-Qurnain remained two months in the darkness willing to reach these mysterious cities. But he failed as he needed to walk for two more months in the darkness.
The Jews of Medinah Al-Munawwara having heard these stories said, “We have seen the same things in the Pentateuch.” Now the three persons who fled the A’d people arrived at Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa, and they stayed there. They were tormented by the people of Fid. They wanted to escape, but they could not. For these people have more power than they do.
I was going to make a video series on this, but the times are moving too fast and the world is seeing great movements in socio-economic change in preparation for the economical meltdown the USA. This, in my opinion is a prelude to the arrival of the one eyed false messiah, the dajjal. We also know that one of the Ten Major signs of Qiyamah is Yajuj wa Majuj (Gog and Magog). All this is connected in my humble opinion. What you make of it, is up to you.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Endymion
I love watching pictures of places like these but i have no plan to go there
Im actually scared of underground houses But when you'll visit Sophia,dont forget to share the pictures with us
I don't have any set plans yet, just something I would like to do... but if when/if I do go inshAllah I will share pictures! I am also pretty clausterphobic, so I'm sure it would be uncomfortable for me under there, but I wouldn't pass up a chance like that! SubhanAllah I thought about all the people who lived under there- the video said it could hold 20,000 people!
The whole Zoroastrian/extra terrestrial theory gave me quite a laugh though, the history channel really played it up!
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yeah, the part about Azura Mazda riding on his airborne craft (quite possible with the Mazda car company logo embossed into its fuselage gave me quite a chukle) was hilarious.
Well, call it disinformation - they are definitely trying to indoctrinate us into disbelief. Well, It's not gonna fly... just like Azura Mazda's fake arcrraft story... lol
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format_quote Originally Posted by Endymion
I'll take time to read all 7 parts of that mind blowing story of Djaboulqa and Djaboulsa
Can you please tell me the source of these ahadiths,Brother Scimitar
- Ibn Ajība in Iqāẓ al-Himam
- Al-Shaykh al-Akbar, Ibn Arabī in his al-Futuhāt al-Makkīyya
- Ṣafī al-Dīn b. al-Husayn b. Jamāl al-Dīn al-Anṣārī al-Khazrajī in Siyar al-Awliyā
- Abū Ṭalib al-Makkī in Qūt al-Qulūb
A good summary of what is mentioned in the books of the Sufis regarding Mount Qāf is found in this passage from Abū Ṭālib's Qūt al-Qulūb:
Abū Yazīd [al-Bistāmī] was asked: Have you ever reached Mount Qāf? Abū Yazīd replied: Mount Qāf is close/similar to that of Mount Kāf, Mount Ayn, and Mount Ṣād. The questioner asked: What are these? Abū Yazīd responded: They are mountains that surround the lower worlds; surrounding each world there is a mountain similar to Mount Qāf which surrounds this world, and it is the smallest of them and this world is the smallest (of the worlds). Abū Muhammad had informed us that he had ascended Mount Qāf and saw the ship of Nūh spread out on top of it, and he would describe both it and the mountain to us. He said: To Allah belongs a servant in Basra who is able to raise his leg while sitting and place it on top of Mount Qāf (Qūt al-Qulūb: 2/69)
Also, intresting to note that Noahs (AS) Ark was discovered in Turkey, right? Well, so are these underground homes... catching the connection here? Interesting stuff.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Iconodule
Is this tradition considered authoritative in Islam?
Depends on what your field of study is. These days we have hadeeth rejectors who only follow the Quran and disregard anything the Prophet pbuh said. Strange times we live in.
In the Science of Hadeeth, it is imperative that the correct methodology is utilised in order to verify the hadith as Saheeh (undisputed). In the books mentioned above there are a collection of saheeh hadith together with da'eef (weak narration) hadeeth - but the weak ones are used in order to support the strong ones. Also, no disputed hadeeths were used in these books.
Understanding the exegesis, eschatology and history in reference to these hadeeth help us to determine the truths pertaining to t he matters questioned. I hope that answers your question Iconodule.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Depends on what your field of study is. These days we have hadeeth rejectors who only follow the Quran and disregard anything the Prophet pbuh said. Strange times we live in.
In the Science of Hadeeth, it is imperative that the correct methodology is utilised in order to verify the hadith as Saheeh (undisputed). In the books mentioned above there are a collection of saheeh hadith together with da'eef (weak narration) hadeeth - but the weak ones are used in order to support the strong ones. Also, no disputed hadeeths were used in these books.
Understanding the exegesis, eschatology and history in reference to these hadeeth help us to determine the truths pertaining to t he matters questioned. I hope that answers your question Iconodule.
Well, let's leave aside the hadeeth rejectors- I don't think their position makes sense. Among serious Islamic scholars, or ones you would consider serious, would this teaching about the emerald cities be considered truthful? If I understand you correctly (correct me if I am misinterpeting), you are saying it is based on undisputed hadeeth with the support of some weak hadeeth- in other words, something a Muslim should accept.
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The undisputed hadeeth don't mention cities made of emerald, and these hadeeth themselves were very short. However, the weak hadeeth (which were quite lengthy) supported the stronger hadeeth and it was this weak hadeeth that mention the emerald cities.
One thing to note here Iconodule - the reason why these hadeeths were considered weak is due to the fact that the narrators themselves were unable to remember the chain of narration accurately, and differenct narrators differed on the chain of narration. The narration itself is sound.
By chain of narration I am referring to the number of people and the names of these people the hadeeth was passed down to, in order to reference it well.
however, it was seen fit for them to be included in these books.
You won't find these hadeeth in Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ahmad etc.... But that doesn't negate that they exist. Or that they are true.
It's like i said in an above post, it's up for all to decide whether they believe them or not.
For me, it is a matter of letting the hadeeths themselves prove their worth with the studies I conduct in relation to these hadeeth. If the evidence exists to support the hadeeth, then the hadeeth proves itself. As is the case here. With reference to the emerald cities though, that is something I have been unable to find out about - however, the rest of it is plain to see through historical record circa 1900 and modern day archaeological discoveries.
Also note, that the emerald cities are thought to be in inner earth (hollow earth) which is an inversed replica of the outer earth we live in. To date, I know of only two people who have ever been there and made it back to tell there tale. One is Adiral Byrd, and the other is Olaf Jensen.
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Thank you for the explanation. Yes, I remember the classification of hadith according to chains of narration (a few years ago I had a Muslim professor who explained this all in great detail, but I've forgotten a lot.)
There is of course a wealth of lore from many different cultures about hollow earth, underground cities, etc. and also world mountains. Mount Qaf reminds me of the Mount Sumeru which is discussed in Hindu and Buddhist cosmology.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Iconodule
Thank you for the explanation. Yes, I remember the classification of hadith according to chains of narration (a few years ago I had a Muslim professor who explained this all in great detail, but I've forgotten a lot.)
I wonder if it's selective memory.
In a thread in the comparative religion, you were trying to equate ahadeeth to apostolic tradition, and I explained to you at lengths what ahadeeth are, so I hope you won't forget them again
in short the four canonical gospels = weak (dha'eef) or fabricated (mawdoo) ahadeeth. Muslims do not take weak or fabricated ahadeeth to be guidance or as the truth.
While christians take the four canonical gospels as the truth (but only believe in some of them, pick and choose, and discard parts that they don't like as either having been abrograted by paul or by apostolic tradition or merely pass them off as "parables" and "metaphores", and even then much fewer actually follow what is left).
format_quote Originally Posted by Iconodule
There is of course a wealth of lore from many different cultures about hollow earth, underground cities, etc. and also world mountains. Mount Qaf reminds me of the Mount Sumeru which is discussed in Hindu and Buddhist cosmology.
Unlike other beliefs, such as god losing a wrestling match against a human or god losing a debate against a human, muslims do not mix up tradition/fairy tales with the truth.
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When someone is trying to two-facedly say "oh, muslims believe in emerald cities" although it's been explained clearly to him that muslims reject any stories not backed up by Qur'an and authentic sunnah as the truth, then it's deceiving.
Appearing friendly does not mean that person is not deceiving.
Deceivers are those who practice *appearing* friendly in conversations while trying to inject falsehoods.
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Very cool, thank you for sharing! I love reading about stuff like that... and inshAllah one day I will get to visit Turkey! Right after visiting Hagia Sophia, this is next on the list.
This is interesting. I've never heard of this.
I am also pretty clausterphobic, so I'm sure it would be uncomfortable for me under there, but I wouldn't pass up a chance like that! SubhanAllah I thought about all the people who lived under there- the video said it could hold 20,000 people!
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