hypothetical question about the confrontation

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Assalamu Alaikum

Have you ever been in a situation where you were asked a question about islam to which you know the gathering wont like the answers you give? Im going to talk about my situation but you could talk about any situation.



If you live in the west, and were in a completely kaafir gathering and you was the only muslim (true muslim) in the group and the question arose:


"How do you feel about homosexuals?

What would you do if your brother/sister became homosexual?

Do you believe homosexuals should be killed?


Maybe you have senior colleagues around, maybe you have your boss there. Your answers will seriously affect how these kaafirs view you...


What would your answers be?




my answers :
" I find them to be deviant and can never accept the concept of a born homosexual no matter how much it is pushed down our throats, I believe homosexual tendancies can arise due to a combiation of the devil and the desires within and this should be faught not enabled !"

"I would abandon him and kick him out"

"only in an islamic state"




but i tell u, i felt pressure.... and this might be my weak imaan... may Allah strengthen me and guide me.

[Qurratul Ayn]

but i tell u, i felt pressure.... and this might be my weak imaan... may Allah strengthen me and guide me.

^ Did that situation happen to you, Brother IbnAbdulHakim??? Or did you answer the questions now???

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ yes just recently, why the sarcy face lol.


i had another muslim there but he was turnin into a bit of a fish, so I told them the above... but it affected the way everyone viewed me a lot.

i think this becomes more heavy on a person the older they get. im 25 (next august) but I still try, but sometimes I do feel pressure when I have to speak the truth...


for example if someone mentioned Aisha radhiallahu anha's marriage, my weak imaan may make it difficult for me to answer confidently even though I love that marriage the most after the mariage of rasululah and khadija but the shaytan comes in and then...


so I was wonderin, how many of you have been in these types of situation.


I'll tell u now ITS SO EASY with friends, so easy with family, but colleagues/seniors and kaafirs... totally different.

[Qurratul Ayn]

why the sarcy face lol.

It's a quizzical face. Oh dear me ( Well, I think so)

I'll tell u now ITS SO EASY with friends, so easy with family, but colleagues/seniors and kaafirs... totally different.

I agree. Yep, yep, yep. But you'd be surprised how many Non-Muslims out there that also don't like this and don't think it right at all.

I have met a few of the Non-Muslims and heard their views, and was quite surprised, not all of them are willing to accept this and they do say something about it

[IbnAbdulHakim]

It's a quizzical face. Oh dear me



I agree. Yep, yep, yep. But you'd be surprised how many Non-Muslims out there that also don't like this and don't think it right at all.

I have met a few of the Non-Muslims and heard their views, and was quite surprised, not all of them are willing to accept this and they do say something about it

What made it difficult is their rejection of my views i guess. They tried to make it out like i was sticking to a backward view, but I wasnt having non of it. They even tried to tell me animals are gay LOL, i mean for the love of

[IbnAbdulHakim]

thing is when they baught up the animal thing I said to em, "so you want to be the same as animals? they have no control"

so even if animals can be gay, that doesnt make a difference to me

[Qurratul Ayn]

They even tried to tell me animals are gay LOL,

Now that is bang out of order. The ridiculous amount of pathetic excuses some people come up with. Jeez...

[Ramadan90]

This is a difficult issue. Just say what you believe in and dont bash homosexuality because you will be in trouble then. Just be neutral and say that in Islam we dont believe in homosexuality.

To answer your questions:

1. As long as they dont shove it in our throats and dont say that Islam should accept homosexuality then I dont care.

2. If you are truly a muslim, then you cant practice homosexuality. Even if you are attracted to same sex, you see it as a trial. You fight against your nafs.

3. No.(What I would tell the kafirs)

[جوري]

This is how I answer

"How do you feel about homosexuals?

I am averse to them as they're to heterosexuality!

What would you do if your brother/sister became homosexual?

They wouldn't!

Do you believe homosexuals should be killed?

They should stay closeted like heterosexuals.. we're not discussing sexcapades and they should play by the same rules.

end of story.. don't over complicate things..

[Ramadan90]

And if they are not satisfied with my answers and what Islam tells, I dont give a crap what they think about me.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

They should stay closeted like heterosexuals.. we're not discussing sexcapades and they should play by the same rules.

end of story.. don't over complicate things..

lool very diplimatic my very intelligent sister BUT what if they insist you remark upon an open gay and what should be done with him. lol as they done with me

[جوري]

lool very diplimatic my very intelligent sister BUT what if they insist you remark upon an open gay and what should be done with him. lol as they done with me

Then I say there's nothing further on the subject that I wish to impart. and follow that by a long awkward pause with a serious stare so they feel stupid!

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Then I say there's nothing further on the subject that I wish to impart. and follow that by a long awkward pause with a serious stare so they feel stupid!

Thing is, I feel that they already know what a muslim believes should be done with a homosexual... to some extent due to all the exposure.

Therefore I felt there was benefit when i stated that the killing should only be in an islamic state - helps them realise we impose nothing? If you want to be gay leave the land of islam or face the consequences. Sounds fair?


I dno i guess maybe i do go too far sometimes lol

[جوري]

fact is most kaffirs I have encountered are averse to homos unless they're homo themselves, so in their own societies there's no consensus on so-called gay rights.. except in this case they're not asking you about their rights, rather how you feel about them and there's no law east or west to impose on you liking somebody under some banner..

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ you mean that? because in my work I meet new people every single day... and almost every kaafir I come across sympathises with homosexuals.

[Ramadan90]

Just stick to your answers and leave it at that. If the kafir is a good person then he would accept and respect your opinions. We need to stop caring what people think about us. Do they pay your bills? No.

[prayforme]

Assalamualikum. In this type of situation we should try to turn the table over. I am assuming most of your colleagues were christian/jews, so just ask them:

'what your religion says about homosexuality? what will you do, because as far as I am concerned even though My Quran doesn't clearly says about death penalty for homosexuality, your bible clearly mentions it!

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[3](Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.[4](Leviticus 20:13 KJV)

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ they arent the type to take religious texts very seriously. THey dont affiliate themselves that closely with any religion. Most are agnostic and atheist.

[جوري]

^ you mean that? because in my work I meet new people every single day... and almost every kaafir I come across sympathises with homosexuals.

Of course, but these are friends anyway so they tell me the truth- not everyone you meet is going to tell you the truth about how they feel you know most people are just looking to start something and impose 'ideals' they've made up in their mind to be true by the age of 18. Not sure what those sympathies are anyway? I mean what are homos missing in their lives that the rest of us have?
It is just new age crap to prepare us for a new world.. frankly a new world that I want nothing to do with...

[aamirsaab]

I would have approached the questions differently. Islamically, of course homosexuality is a sin. But, that's not to say we should be hostile nor homophobic. If it is someone you know/are close to that subscribes to that form of sexuality, then as a Muslim it is very difficult and painful to accept - I would agree entirely. Should I feel hostility to that person? Should I disown that person? Islamically, I don't think I would.

As far as it being a crime - this is a different matter altogether as that is linked heavily with social perception. Without getting into the nitty gritty of it, the simple fact of the matter is homosexuality is not a crime where I live. But, Islamically, it is a sin - a very big sin - which is enough to discourage me from ever doing it.