Looking for anti-zionist islamic opinions, esp. from middle easterners

[prrride]

I hope this board is not politically correct... aka censored.

Here is where I am at. I am a European (white) male, mid 20s, living in the USA. Holocaust denier and avid nationalist.

I am fully aware of the fact that Communist Jews (Zionists if you will) run the world. I am fully aware of their massive place in the takeover of Russia and their slaughtering of tens of millions of Christians.

If you are not aware of these facts, you need to read more books. Please disregard this post, all due respect, I am not interested in your opinion. This is not a "anti-semetic" post, because it is factual in it's assertions. I do not hate "Jews" in general, only the Talumdic and Racially supremacist "we are destined to dominate the goyim (non-Jew)" type Jews.

I am fully aware of their "subliminal conquering" of the West, and therefore my people, and that most Westerners have no idea what is going on, because they are blinded by political correctness. I am fully aware of the wars in the middle east that they are perpetuating the goal to pit the European Civilization and Arab Civilization against each other so that we might destroy each other, not to mention their "conquering the middle east by white-blood proxy wars" strategy and their war crimes against the Palestineans.

My question is this: why does Islam not attempt to educate the West in regards as to what is going on? Why do Islamic immigrants come to the West and take advantage of our societies and our welfare programs and cause so much crime (Jihad"ish" anti-western crimes against my people)? Why doesn't Islam join forces with Nationalists instead of fighting us? Do they realize that we are after the same things? The only thing that would potentially cause any fighting between us is either the fact that we want to keep Europe "European" and therefore are against "diversity" and that we do not believe in Islam as being the solution to our own particular problems.

How can we get along/why can't we get along?

While I do not like Islam that my media portrays over here, I do not have anything against Arabs, in fact, it's likely that Europeans are either genetic cousins or perhaps directly decendant of arabs, but we are our own peoples now. I want to see arabs become a successful world power again, hand in hand, not to continue for our races to be enemies.

I would like opinions on this matter.

If there are (I imagine there are) arabs from the middle east who see these things, I'd love to hear your opinions.

I am suspicious that certain Islamic militias like Hezbollah are indeed aiming for this goal, but my media is so full of lies I cannot tell what's true and what is false in the Arab World.

[MuslimInshallah]

Hello prrride,

(smile) Mmm, I wonder what you would make of me? I'm of European extraction living in North America. I'm a Muslim. And I believe that the Qur'an has been, and will continue to be, a source of Guidance for all peoples on this planet, who wish it. I have some Jewish ancestry (through my paternal grandmother who embraced Christianity). Most of my Jewish-side relatives were murdered in the holocaust you believe didn't happen. My grandmother had to flee for her life with her children. My grandfather helped rescue some Jewish people.

(gently) It is good to question what you are told. It is healthy to love yourself for the unique person God Created. But this world is a lot more complex and interesting than the binary ideas that we can become entrapped in. This is the devil whispering to you, I believe.

You know, with your questing mind and independence of thought, you might find the Qur'an an interesting book to read. But lay aside any anger when you do so. Just open your heart and mind to what God is trying to Teach us.

May God, the Gentle, ease your troubled heart.

[sister herb]

Hi prrride

I have no idea why you think that the communist Jews are zionists. I think that zionist Jews represent some far right political ideology, not far left as the communists.

I am a communist Muslim and my ideology has nothing to do with zionism.

Also, don´t call Hezballah as Islamic militia. They are Shias, not Muslims. Ok they call themself as Shia Muslims, but we as Sunnis - well, they are Shias.

Also, I agree with sister above, not all Jews support zionism. Its good you are interesting what happens in the world but maybe you need to study a little more what really happens in this world. Like like deniying the holocoust and its victims might not serve the real truth.

[hannysabbagh]

Hi prrride.

I am a Muslim-Arab from Syria, I joined this forum today and your thread was the first to look at

My question is this: why does Islam not attempt to educate the West in regards as to what is going on? Why do Islamic immigrants come to the West and take advantage of our societies and our welfare programs and cause so much crime (Jihad"ish" anti-western crimes against my people)? Why doesn't Islam join forces with Nationalists instead of fighting us? Do they realize that we are after the same things? The only thing that would potentially cause any fighting between us is either the fact that we want to keep Europe "European" and therefore are against "diversity" and that we do not believe in Islam as being the solution to our own particular problems.

Well, there are two main ideas about this:

• Some people are trying to do so, there are many Muslim scholars as far as I know in the west and they are doing the job. Unfortunately, the west is not helping of course, the media is not giving a look to those people or "Muslims trying to tell people about there real religion" but instead of this they are only publishing lies about Islam, which distorts the image of Islam in the west.
• The west (governments, not people) have been working on destroying the Islamic world for hundreds of years, starting by the fail of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1924 and until this time. That's why there are many people in the Islamic world who hate west in general, the problem is that they can't really understand the difference between the people and governments and they hurt harmless people who has nothing to do with what happened to the Islamic world. However, I don't really think that the numbers of these people are huge, maybe they don't exceed 5% of immigrants?

I am suspicious that certain Islamic militias like Hezbollah are indeed aiming for this goal, but my media is so full of lies I cannot tell what's true and what is false in the Arab World.

Hezbollah are Shia (which is a very wrong, bad, full-of-hate sect in Islam) so don't look at them like if they were the normal Muslims, they are killing people everyday in Syria and Iraq.

BTW: It's a funny thing that, when you are anti-Jew, people call you anti-Semitism, but when you are anti-Arab they don't call you anti-Semtism (although that Arabs are also Semitic! They are grandsons for Sam son of Noah).. Double Standards.

[Insaanah]

I am a communist Muslim

Sister, it is not possible to be a communist Muslim. The two are mutually exclusive. A person can be one or the other, but not both at the same time. Islam was revealed as a complete and perfect way of life (including socio-economic, and social justice), not just beliefs of the heart or worship rituals, or dietary abstinence and hijab. Communism implies rejection of Islam being the perfect way of life in all respects. It implies we believe it is good in some respects, but falls short in others (i.e. socio-economic) , that we then have to resort to other anti-Islamic ideologies to fill the void or correct the mistake. But there are other reasons also why the two are mutually exclusive.

These links explain better, and are very important to read:

Quotes from first link:

[...]It is this very game of fraud and deception that the communists are playing today. They say that the Muslims can at once remain Muslims, can pray, fast and perform esoteric rituals and adopt communism as an economic system, for it does not at all meddle with their religion. Why should they then hesitate in embracing it? But while thus arguing they know very well that Muslims will no longer remain Muslims if they once but succumbed to its temptation.

The fact, however, is that communism does not at all see eye to eye with Islamic ideology although it might in some respects superficially resemble Islam. The Muslim community which already possesses the best system cannot pass by Islam and instead adopt communism, capitalism or materialistic socialism though they might in certain respects appear to be similar to it, for God has expressly commanded : "And they Who do not judge in accordance with that which is revealed by God, they are indeed the unbelievers" (v : 47)

Can we in reality embrace communism and yet live on as Muslims? The answer is a big No, for, when we apply communism (erroneously or dishonestly described as being a purely economic system), we find that it is opposed to Islam in theory as well as in practice. [...]

http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=157&chapter=17
http://islamqa.info/en/166104
http://islamqa.info/en/3321
http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-a...tml?Economics=

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I am both and it is possible. I am not the only communist Muslim in this world (neither in this forum).

[hannysabbagh]

وعليكم السلام.

Sister, saying anything is also possible, but supporting it with evidence is the hero point
No, you can't be a Muslim and a Communist, a Muslim should only follow Allah's order and guidance, not human-based sources for ruling systems and society building like "Marks" !!

May Allah guide us all..

[sister herb]

وعليكم السلام.

Sister, saying anything is also possible, but supporting it with evidence is the hero point
No, you can't be a Muslim and a Communist, a Muslim should only follow Allah's order and guidance, not human-based sources for ruling systems and society building like "Marks" !!

May Allah guide us all..

Salam alaykum

Sorry that I am both Muslim and member of the communist party. It is kind of problem to communists in here but hopely its not problem to Muslims too. Allah knows what I am and it should to be enough to everyone.

[ardianto]

I am not Arab and not from Middle East, but I am from the country with largest number of Muslims, Indonesia.

My question is this: why does Islam not attempt to educate the West in regards as to what is going on? Why do Islamic immigrants come to the West and take advantage of our societies and our welfare programs and cause so much crime (Jihad"ish" anti-western crimes against my people)? Why doesn't Islam join forces with Nationalists instead of fighting us? Do they realize that we are after the same things? The only thing that would potentially cause any fighting between us is either the fact that we want to keep Europe "European" and therefore are against "diversity" and that we do not believe in Islam as being the solution to our own particular problems.

Islam does not encourage Muslim (believer of Islam) to move to non-Muslim countries. Even Islamic scholars actually encourage Muslims to develop their own Muslim countries. Take advantages from social welfare without contribute for society is something that against Islamic teaching itself.

Those immigrants actually experienced cultural shock, and then they run to Islam, but unfortunately they run to the radical version of Islam that flourish well in the West because rejected in many Muslim countries. If you notice, majority of radical Muslims in UK are not Arab, but from South Asia and also Black.

Muslims, except certain radical groups like ISIS, do not have plan to fight and conquer West.

[greenhill]

Why so many things? You ask the right questions. It is really hard to "see" the answer for the 'veil' before our eyes.

Even harder when the belief structure is different. Then, it can almost be impossible to agree.

My explanation is derived from the story excerpts from the Quran

Sahih International
[ Allah ] said, "What prevented you from prostrating when I commanded you?" [Satan] said, "I am better than him. You created me from fire and created him from clay." 7:12
[ Allah ] said, "Descend from Paradise, for it is not for you to be arrogant therein. So get out; indeed, you are of the debased. 7:13
[Satan] said, "Reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected." 7:14
[ Allah ] said, "Indeed, you are of those reprieved." 7:15
[Satan] said, "Because You have put me in error, I will surely sit in wait for them on Your straight path. 7:16
O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, ....... Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe. 7:27

The Prophet (S.A.W.S) said: "Iblis places his throne upon water; he then sends detachments (for creating dissension between people); the nearer to him in rank are those who are most notorious in creating dissension. One of them comes and says: “I did so and so.” And he says: “You have done nothing.” Then one amongst them comes and says: “I did not spare so and so until I sowed the seed of discord between a husband and a wife.” Satan goes near him and says: “You have done well.” He then embraces him” (Sahih Muslim and narrated by Jabir Ibn ‘Abdullah).

So when the time comes for reckoning,

...And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment." 14:22

So, Satan sole concern is to divert humans from the true path. Whatever it takes. What would be the 'ideal' situation is not in his plans. Hence we cannot have those ripe moments because everyone faces the devil in him or herself. Until we can ALL remove those negativity (hate, jealousy, revenge, greed etc) it is not likely that we can achieve any unity. Satan has a far easier job to cause divisions amongst the people.

What is funny though is to notice the similarities between the attitude of the Jews and Satan, how Satan claimed he was superior to Adam just like the Jews claiming they are the chosen race. And the idea of "subliminal ..." is similar to the quiet ambush by his (Satan's) tribe from where we can't see them.