One issue that is bothering me regarding the existance of a God so to say...

**.alhamdulillah.** · 02-26-2017

What about those people to whom a message of the truth has not come.... why do they suffer in this world.... also there are those to whom a message has not come and they have all the luxuries of this world.....

What is the purpose of their existance if no message comes to them, and where is the fairness that some of those people suffer in this world and some enjoy all the luxuries..???

Such as people before Islam. Many people in the west today, to whom the clear message of Islam has not come, or even in some Muslim countries where people don't even know what Islam is....

Some of these people live and die, without the message and still undergo suffering... some women burned alive, poverty, struggles, etc....

So if there is a God, why would he let these people live a life blindly without any message and purpose???

Whereas for Muslims we understand suffering and it's purpose and how to deal with good and bad in this life.

**drac16** · 02-26-2017

Salam alaykum

God promises that He shows signs to all people until they know the truth (the truth about Allah, Islam, etc). The Qur'an says "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" (surah 41:53)

You don't have to worry about people not hearing the message of Islam. Allah azza wa jal is sufficient to guide them. They may not understand Islam, but Allah will show them the signs they need to come to a basic understanding of Islam (like Tawheed, for instance). For example, let's say there's a tribe in the Amazon that worships idols and lives alone, without any contact to the outside world. Allah will show them that worshiping idols is wrong and that only Tawheed is the right belief to have (concerning the Godhead). Allah's guidance is sufficient to guide people even without having heard of Islam. They will be judged on Judgment Day based on what they did concerning that knowledge that God gave them.

**whosebob** · 02-26-2017

Some Muslims may say that all Good and evil comes from Allah. But if you read the Quran properly Allah sais the evil comes from ourselves. That's why we have freewill. It's our choices. That's why we get rewarded and punished for our choices. It is either a curse, if you a unbeliever and if you are a believer it's a blessing. Allah also sais in the Quran, that if you truly fear him then you should know that all good from Allah mashallah. It is in the Quran. Inshallah.

Chapter Name:An-Nisa Verse No:79
Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah; but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul. and We have sent thee as a messenger to (instruct) mankind. And enough is Allah for a witness.

When it comes to believers being born into a unbelieving society then this is also something that bothered me. It is unjust and Allah is not unjust. Then i read an article about the spiritual realm.

{And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam’s loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): “Am I not your Lord?” They said: “Yes! We testify,” lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: “Verily, we have been unaware of this.} (Al-A`raf 7: 172)

Before we were born, There was a place where Allah brought forth all the mankind. We all declared that Allah is one, whether it was willingly or unwillingly. This place is also somewhere were one builds affinities. Whether it was ones religion, friends, enemies basically you set your destiny here and what your life will become. That's why some are born into a believing society and others not. There is no original sin. All unbelievers still has a chance in the world to become a believer and some believers will fall the traps of Shaitan and become unbelievers.

**whosebob** · 02-26-2017

Read the following

Surah An’am Verse 40-41

Say: “ Think ye to yourselves,
If there come upon you The Wrath of God,
Or the Hour(that ye dread),
Would ye then call upon
Other than God?
(reply) if ye are truthful!

“Nay,- On Him would ye
Call, and if it be
His Will, He would remove
(The distress) which occasioned
Your call upon Him
And ye would forget
(the False gods) which ye
Join with Him!

Evens though unbelievers may be born in a society in history where there was no dawah, their is still hope. Allah knows everyone's situation and Allah is Just (al-Adl) mashallah.

**.alhamdulillah.** · 02-26-2017

Both of you are very right in what you say, and the simple fact is we might not be able to answer these questions fully, but it is not what defines our faith, we are just humans and don't know everything. Based on the proofs of Islam, we know it is true, and that is what defines our faith, if we can't answer some questions like this it is not a big deal, as we can't answer everything, and it does not mean that no God exists...

One thing I do wonder though is, what is it that make some people believe and other disbelieve.... Like we all have free will, but what is it that causes some to believe and some to disbelieve...??? Is it not our environment and experiences that influence our decisions, making me wonder are we at fault for what we do? If I believe, is it because I am actually good and believing, or is it because I just happened to be in the situations I was that caused me to believe, where someone who disbelieves is not at fault because it's their environment that influenced their decision not to believe in the truth...

**whosebob** · 02-26-2017

for the entire article read
What happend before we were born, death and dreams.

One verse in the Quran says “We will continue to show them our signs in their selves and on the horizon until it becomes clear to them that what we are saying is true”, so the belief in The Resurrection is absolutely fundamental to the Islamic tradition, and there’s a belief that every soul will be completely renewed. But the body that’s recreated is not the same as this physical body.
This is what we call the world of spirits. One of the things of the world of spirits according to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is if you met people in the spiritual round, because we actually intermingle, if you met people in the spiritual realm you will have a natural affinity for them in this realm. So there will be people that you meet in your life that you immediately connect with. And this is believed to be a pre-worldly meeting that is replicated in this realm, and this is a recognition of that. And likewise the people most distant from you on that level, will be people that you not attracted to them. And this can also be within families and within religious traditions, in other words it could be a Muslim. For a Muslim it could be a Muslim that you are not comfortable with.

You are not supposed to be mean or cruel to them, or take them as enemies or something, but to recognize that there are natural affinities and these affinities are from a pre-worldly recognition and there’s a hadith in which The Prophet said: “Souls are like regimented ranks, those who knew each other before feel affinity in this realm, and those who did not have differences.”
So if you look at the metaphor here, you have the armed forces and they are all on the same side, but when marines are at a bar drinking and then some navy boys come in there’s all this kind of aggression that will often happen because they are from different regiments. These guys are another group even though it’s the same army. They are another group and there’s that kind of animosity that result from not being from the same regiment.

**greenhill** · 02-26-2017

I have read several posts here from people who live in a society far removed from islam, or even communities hostile to islam and yet they write in here to seek clarification.

I think that in itself speaks volumes..

**.alhamdulillah.** · 02-26-2017

Originally Posted by greenhill

I have read several posts here from people who live in a society far removed from islam, or even communities hostile to islam and yet they write in here to seek clarification.

I think that in itself speaks volumes..

I'm confused on what you mean...

**greenhill** · 02-27-2017

Sorry.. what I mean is that I have noticed that often, the instances that drew them to seek out what islam (as an example) was after the 9-11 attack when the world media was painting islam a really bad name. Yet, they still came in here (IB) with open mind to discover for themselves what islam is as opposed to believing what the media has portrayed it as being. Some have even mentioned that in their research they then reverted to it (before even joining this site).

The point I was trying to make is that they somehow received the message and did something to find out. I am sure there were others, but they have not taken any action to research..

Hope it clarifies ..

**Simple_Person** · 02-27-2017