I completely agree that this question is so wide open, its hard to answer correctly. I hope rayman is not hoping to start some sort of argument over this.
Considering the bloodshed that happened in the 20th century as a result of secular ideologies communism capitalism etc I do not think atheists have any right to be pointing fingers
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Here is the deal.
The man is an Islamic IMAM.
Many consider him a radical.
He is actually in jail for promoting ISIS
He considers the ones who don't agree with his Islamic way "not real muslims"
Here is one of the many videos available in youtube about him
So here are the questions to you Muslims:
Are his views align with Islam?
He justifies the actions of terrorists as based in the Quran.
At about 00:02:54 of the video he said:
In chapter 8 verse 60 (of the Quran) he (the prophet-pbuh) said prepare as much as you can steeds of warto terrorize the enemy, so terrorizing the enemy is in fact part of Islam.
If I was to believe in all he said I would conclude that Islam indeed is a violent religion.
As Muslims what is your take?
Please explain to the non-Muslims where is he wrong, if he is?
In chapter 8 verse 60 (of the Quran) he (the prophet-pbuh) said prepare as much as you can steeds of warto terrorize the enemy, so terrorizing the enemy is in fact part of Islam.
The interviewer in your video was deaf, she could not hear the imam describe terrorism as the blanket bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq by America. All she kept doing was going back to the execution of Foley, and I agree with her that this was wrong. But to me the greater crime was the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq; this was the greater act of terrorising an enemy.
I have to say I only watched the first five minutes. America has bombed and fought in more countries than any other since WW2, I recently heard about the blanket bombing of Korea and Vietnam. I cannot believe that you turn a blind eye to your own country, yet criticize others for lesser crimes. Please be careful when making blanket judgements about 1.6 billion people.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.
Here is the deal.
The man is an Islamic IMAM.
Many consider him a radical.
He is actually in jail for promoting ISIS
He considers the ones who don't agree with his Islamic way "not real muslims"
Here is one of the many videos available in youtube about him
So here are the questions to you Muslims:
Are his views align with Islam?
He justifies the actions of terrorists as based in the Quran.
At about 00:02:54 of the video he said:
In chapter 8 verse 60 (of the Quran) he (the prophet-pbuh) said prepare as much as you can steeds of warto terrorize the enemy, so terrorizing the enemy is in fact part of Islam.
If I was to believe in all he said I would conclude that Islam indeed is a violent religion.
As Muslims what is your take?
Please explain to the non-Muslims where is he wrong, if he is?
Here nobody supports any terrorist group which misinterprete Quranic verses to justify them killing people.
Now see what the verses command:
Quran 8:59-60 –
“And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
The above passage, is a historical verse which gave Muslims permission to fight the enemy, which was hostile to the Muslim community. Their goal was to exterminate, kill all Muslims. All one needs to do is read the verse that proceeds. The next verse (Quran 8:61), Allah orders Muslims that if the enemy were to ‘incline to peace’, then Muslims have incline to peace as-well. But, if the enemy does not want peace, then Allah gives Muslims to engage the enemy until there is no more persecution against Muslims. Let’s Read 8:61,
8:61And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Commentary on 8:61
Tafsir Ibn Kathir
“The Command to Facilitate Peace when the Enemy seeks a Peaceful Resolution
Allah says, if you fear betrayal from a clan of people, then sever the peace treaty with them, so that you both are on equal terms. If they continue being hostile and opposing you, then fight them, (But if they incline), and seek, (to peace), if they resort to reconciliation, and seek a treaty of non-hostility, (you also incline to it), and accept offers of peace from them. This is why when the pagans inclined to peace in the year of Hudaybiyah and sought cessation of hostilities for nine years, between them and the Messenger of Allah he accepted this from them, as well as, accepting other terms of peace they brought forth. `Abdullah bin Al-Imam Ahmad recorded that `Ali bin Abi Talib said that the Messenger of Allah said, (There will be disputes after me, so if you have a way to end them in peace, then do so.) Allah said next,
(and trust in Allah. ) Allah says, conduct a peace treaty with those who incline to peace, and trust in Allah. Verily, Allah will suffice for you and aid you even if they resort to peace as a trick, so that they gather and reorganize their forces…”
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format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Greetings and peace be with you Raymann,
The interviewer in your video was deaf, she could not hear the imam describe terrorism as the blanket bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq by America. All she kept doing was going back to the execution of Foley, and I agree with her that this was wrong. But to me the greater crime was the bombing of Afghanistan and Iraq; this was the greater act of terrorising an enemy.
I have to say I only watched the first five minutes. America has bombed and fought in more countries than any other since WW2, I recently heard about the blanket bombing of Korea and Vietnam. I cannot believe that you turn a blind eye to your own country, yet criticize others for lesser crimes. Please be careful when making blanket judgements about 1.6 billion people.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people.
I just question the reason why so many groups around the world (all under the flag of Islam) feel the urge to terrorize the west as their primary goal.
I said primary goal because the violence also happens between these groups themselves (see Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc).
9/11 was wrong, but the American response to 9/11 was far worse. They held all of Afghanistan responsible for the action of a few terrorists. The invasion of Iraq with the shock and awe bombing must have terrified the ordinary Iraqi families living nearby. Two million refugees fled Iraq, many of them ended up in Syria, causing massive problems.
How will these refugees ever get justice? How will they get compensation for loss of property and for the death of family members?
If America had never bombed and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, then I am sure there would be more peace in the Middle East.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
The topic here is not violence in general so here I'm only concern about violence coming under the flag of Islam.
If a few Muslims were the only violent people in this world; then you would be justified in starting this thread. Your prejudice seems to leave you blind to the greater violence committed by others in this world.
In the spirit of praying for justice for all people,
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