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    Assalam.

    Is it allowed for for a boy at the age of 15 to travel with close female cousins who are at the age of 24. By close i mean they are like brothers and sisters and lived in the same house for a couple of years.
    The boy was going to travel with his male cousin who is 21, and three female cousins who are 19, 21, 24. The holiday was only for two days

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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    As far as I know cousins are non Mahram. So the girls should act accordingly. I do not think there is a problem for them to travel together (sit in the same bus, train or plane). After all, the girls will be safer than if the 3 of them were alone.
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mandy View Post
    As far as I know cousins are non Mahram. So the girls should act accordingly. I do not think there is a problem for them to travel together (sit in the same bus, train or plane). After all, the girls will be safer than if the 3 of them were alone.
    but staying together for 2 days.....?
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    It is not appropriate for girls to travel without any mahram, cousins are not mahram.
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    No, it is not appropriate. It is not appropriate at all. Avoid the situation at all costs.
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    but staying together for 2 days.....?
    I had missed that part of the post. Staying together would obviously be a big no. I was only referring to the travelling part (while in some sort of transportation).

    format_quote Originally Posted by MazharShafiq View Post
    It is not appropriate for girls to travel without any mahram, cousins are not mahram.

    As other have said since, a marham should be with the girls. However, I believe the question was concerning what the 15 year old boy was doing and if he would be allowed to go with them. Not if it was correct for the girls to go in the first place. That is why I gave such an answer.

    Was I in error (if so please tell me so that I can learn)? Would the boy's action also be harram if it is only for the travel itself?
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    The rooms will be separated in the hotel

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    Yes only the travel. As he is under the legal age to travel alone
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    So you are saying the 3 girls will be travelling with their brother (who is 21). And the 15 year old cousin would travel with them?

    Other will probably be able to confirm, but with these conditions :
    1- The girls parents are aware of this.
    2- The brother never leaves his sisters alone with the cousin.
    3- The cousin only stays with them while they are in public places.
    4- The girls wear Hijab all the time.

    I would believe it would be permissible but not ideal.
    Would someone have a reference from a trusted source to help confirm this?
    Last edited by Mandy; 10-25-2018 at 08:43 PM.
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muhammed009989 View Post
    The rooms will be separated in the hotel

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    Yes only the travel. As he is under the legal age to travel alone
    Does holiday not mean to enjoy the trip together...?

    Or will he be treating them as stranger and vice versa...?

    Moreover, can enjoying holidays in full niqab/hijab be expected...?
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    Re: Travelling abroad with opposite gender family

    format_quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Moreover, can enjoying holidays in full niqab/hijab be expected...?
    I realised I had forgotten to add something about hijab in my list as I had taken it for granted. I have added it to my previous post for clarity. (I hope it is considered allowed to add to a previous post like that?)
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