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    Is this possible?

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    Salaam aleykum

    Is it possible a Medinan surah to have Meccan verses in it? In anywhere in the quran? I heard from those devaint sects that there are 2 Meccan verses in Medinin surah (surah 9). I know they cant discard whole verses out of the quran just suit their mathematical calculations. But It got me wondered if there were other places in the Quran where meccan verses were included in medinin surah or vice versa.
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    Re: Is this possible?

    No idea sis

    Anyone?
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    Re: Is this possible?



    are you trying to say that some verses where revealed twice dear sister? once in makkah and once in medinah?
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    Re: Is this possible?



    No. I am saying for instance surah nisa was revealed in mecca, but not the whole sura, Just 2 verses out of surah nisaa were revealed in medina. Is this possible? So it is not twice but once.
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    Re: Is this possible?

    you mean like half and half? i.e. half of the surah is in one lang. and the other half is another lang?
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    Re: Is this possible?

    I think what she means is, that is it possible for a makhan surah to have some verses which were revealed in medinah
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    Re: Is this possible?



    Ah..Thank you farhan..

    time for me to go to English classes...
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    Re: Is this possible?



    yh it is possible

    umm say sure Nahl
    it is a late makkan surah except the ayah 110 which was revealed in madinah around the first 2 yrs AH and also possibly many other ayahs towards the end

    is that what you mean like?
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    Re: Is this possible?

    format_quote Originally Posted by zAk
    no farhan, but she meant otherwise
    read tht first post again,

    she asked Is it possible a Medinan surah to have Meccan verses in it ?
    n not : is it possible for a makhan surah to have some verses which were revealed in medinah

    wat u said is possible, but wat she asked is.........??? not sure !
    Well true, but I think she was just trying to find out whether it is possible or not. A makhan surah with verses revealed in medinah or vice versa.
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    Re: Is this possible?

    format_quote Originally Posted by amani


    yh it is possible

    umm say sure Nahl
    it is a late makkan surah except the ayah 110 which was revealed in madinah around the first 2 yrs AH and also possibly many other ayahs towards the end

    is that what you mean like?

    amani

    This is what i mean. But could you clarify again which verses were revealed in Madinah and which verses were revealed in Makkah? and could you think of other Makkah/Medina verses which are included in Medina/Makkah surahs??
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    Re: Is this possible?

    format_quote Originally Posted by farhan247
    Well true, but I think she was just trying to find out whether it is possible or not. A makhan surah with verses revealed in medinah or vice versa.


    Farhan..spot on again brother. Also if it is possible, could one tell me where i can find those verses and in which surahs.
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    Re: Is this possible?

    format_quote Originally Posted by zAk
    as i said first is surely possible, there may be many examples,
    but for the second one.......... *doubts*, **unsure** :brother:


    Zak..could you pls tell me the ones you know? It doesnt matter whether they were Makkah/Medina verses in Medina/Makkah surahs.
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    Re: Is this possible?



    it is only verse 110 i am sure about that was revelaed in madinah
    ..there are other ayash towards the end but i do not know the exact ayahs

    Sure Anfal
    date of revelation= for most second yr of hijrah
    some good arabic authorities state that the ayahs between v 30-40 was revealed in makkah just before the hijrah.


    Sure Yunus.
    a late makkan sura except three verses (not sure which 3 though)

    Sure Hud
    a makkan surah except ayah 114 revelaed in madinah

    Sure Rad
    some say it is a makkan surah except two verses revealed in madinah
    others have said that it is madinah surah with exception of two verses revealed in makkah
    but most have agreed its a late makkan surah mostly

    Sure ibrahim
    late makkan except verses
    28-30 revelaed in madinah


    ill look up some mroe inshaAllah right now
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    Re: Is this possible?

    Jazaakallah khyran amani..

    they are going to ask for a source..where can i get it??
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    Sure Bani Israel

    Makkan surah
    except ayah 81 or according to some commentators ayahs 76-82 revealed in madinah

    Sure maryam=makkan surah
    with possible exception of ayahs 59-60 r..according to some authorities revealed in madinah


    Sure Hajj- makkan surah
    with exception of the verses 11-13
    25-30
    39-41
    which were revealed in madinah
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    Re: Is this possible?

    oh umm i got it from the explanatory transalation by mohammed marmaduke pickthall
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    Re: Is this possible?

    This is a good question and deserves some clarification on a number of issues.

    First of all, we must understand what is meant when we classify Surahs as Makee or Madanee. The common definition is by date of revelation. Hence, Surahs before the Hijrah are considered Makee while those after are considered madanee. It is a chronological seperation, NOT a geographical seperation. So those verses revealed at the conquest of Makkah for example, are Madanee verses, even though they were revealed in Makkah.

    Secondly, a Surah is classified as Makee or Madanee, depending on its first verses. So a Surah that is mostly Madanee but starts with only a few Makee verses, is still considered Makee.

    Now I would just like to outline characteristics of Makee and Madanee surahs before moving on to your question.

    Makke surahs

    1. Every surah that has the oath "kalaa" (nay!) is makee.

    2. All surahs beginning with the disjointed letters (al-muqatta'aat) are makkee. eg. Ha-meem, Alif-laam-meem, etc.
    The only exceptions to this are Al-Baqaqarah and Al-Imran.

    3. All surahs which have a verse of prostration (sajdah at-tilawah) are makee.

    4. All surahs which memntion the story of previous prophets are Makee, with the exception of Al-Baqarah

    5. The verses in Makee surahs are usually short with frequent oaths.

    Madanee surahs

    1. Every verse that mentions a punishment for a crime (hudood) is Madanee

    2. Every surah that mentions the hypocrites in madanee, except Surah Al-Ankabut

    3. Every surah that addresses the Jews and Christians is Madanee

    4. Every surah that mentions jihaad is Madanee

    5. generally, Madanee verses are longer than Makee.


    Coming to your question, there are many categories of Qur'anic surahs, and one of them is Madanee surahs with Makee verses. An example is Suratul Anfaal, which is Madanee except for verse 64, which is Makee.

    For more info, I recommend reading what has been written by Shaykh an-Naysabooree (d. 406 AH), in az-Zarkashee, v.1, p. 192.

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    Re: Is this possible?

    Jazaakallahu kheyr brother. Do you mind if i copy and paste your reply??
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    Re: Is this possible?

    No I don't mind, go ahead.

    Is this possible?

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    Re: Is this possible?

    Alhmdulilaah! Excellent question. Excellent answers....very clear. Masha Allah.
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