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    I thought I'd let u ppl know that Albert Enstien is given the red card as some scientists believe he is a fraud. I love this....you can't get better news than to know that the stuff you are being taught was told by a fraud.

    How was he a fraud?

    Basically....he stole other scintists ideas...for example: Planck whose 'discovery' we formaly use as 'Plancks constant'.

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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!



    Unless you are the source, please could we have some sort of reference? Trust me, it always help...



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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    Salaam

    Please brother lets refrine from backbitting.
    A genius is now a fraud!

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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by aakhirah View Post


    Unless you are the source, please could we have some sort of reference? Trust me, it always help...



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    I am the source? I wish!
    No brother, it was in the newspaper...maybe you should read more.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth View Post
    Salaam

    Please brother lets refrine from backbitting.
    Firstly, it's backbiting with one 't'.

    Secondly, could it not be said that Einstein came to the same conclusions as other scientists, without actually stealing them? I'm not well versed in these matters, but it just occurred to me. I mean, I could have a great idea for a story, but when I put it out in the public domain, I realise that there's a movie just like it, and everyone says I ripped it off, when in fact I didn't.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    Firstly, it's backbiting with one 't'.

    Secondly, could it not be said that Einstein came to the same conclusions as other scientists, without actually stealing them? I'm not well versed in these matters, but it just occurred to me. I mean, I could have a great idea for a story, but when I put it out in the public domain, I realise that there's a movie just like it, and everyone says I ripped it off, when in fact I didn't.


    No, because quite frankly....
    When a scientist has made a 'discovery' he/she MUST add their quotes (source of information) to their resaerch. Einstien did not do this, he made discoveries but showed no use of where he got these ideas from.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    could it not be said that Einstein came to the same conclusions as other scientists, without actually stealing them? I'm not well versed in these matters, but it just occurred to me. I mean, I could have a great idea for a story, but when I put it out in the public domain, I realise that there's a movie just like it, and everyone says I ripped it off, when in fact I didn't.
    Many great ideas in science are "floating" around in the sense that many people are gradually exploring their way forward and several of them are more or less on to something at about the same time, but they do not quite know what it is until someone has a break-through. Charles Darwin was nearly scooped by Alfred Russell Wallace for instance.

    However Einstein came up with his great ideas while working as a patent clerk in Switzerland. He had a great deal of trouble getting his ideas published. He had been denied further research opportunities because, basically, he did not have a powerful "patron". There was no way that he stole those ideas from anyone because he would not have been able to and anyway, great figures steal from little figures. Nobodies do not steal from Somebodies.

    He never did such great work again and in fact wasted a lot of the last years of his life because he did not like Quantum mechanics and tried to prove it wrong. Which suggests that the last thing he would do would be steal an idea from a pioneer in Quantum mechanics like Planck.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by physics_whizz View Post
    No brother, it was in the newspaper...maybe you should read more
    ... which is why I want to see the source! It's not in every newspaper, that's for sure.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by aakhirah View Post
    ... which is why I want to see the source! It's not in every newspaper, that's for sure.

    Fine. Let me do my searching on the net *even though I have better things to do*
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    salam, not the EXACT thing I read...but more or less the same:
    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/041224.html

    By the way, I am still looking for the 'original' article.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    what was the news paper called? its name?
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by akulion View Post
    what was the news paper called? its name?


    teacher was reading it...it may have been the daily telegraph or the 'New Scientist'....am TRYING to find it though.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by physics_whizz View Post

    I thought I'd let u ppl know that Albert Enstien is given the red card as some scientists believe he is a fraud.
    Yeah, but some scientists believe we all live in a holographic universe, and that doesn't make it true.

    I agree with Hei-Gou's reasoning. That's what I was trying to say, but I'm not as 'clued-up' as it were in Physics matters.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    i did a search for "Albert Enstien" + "fraud" but came up with nothing on google yet
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    Yeah, but some scientists believe we all live in a holographic universe, and that doesn't make it true.

    I agree with Hei-Gou's reasoning. That's what I was trying to say, but I'm not as 'clued-up' as it were in Physics matters.

    oKAY....ur right i am wrong. satisfied!

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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by physics_whizz View Post
    oKAY....ur right i am wrong. satisfied!

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    I'm not saying that. Just need some proof.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    I'm not saying that. Just need some proof.

    I have given proof...go and find the rest yourself if you are so interested.
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    salam
    the proof provided does not look authentic enough, but it is still a source and allahu alam
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    well dont get angry physics....

    its just that when anyone starts a thread claiming a thing on any forum...they are cross questioned for their references and sources so that everyone can establish if the news holds any weight or not...thats all

    so lets chill and until we can see some more evidence which is more "quotable" as opposed to the site already given
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    Re: A genius is now a fraud!

    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou View Post
    Many great ideas in science are "floating" around in the sense that many people are gradually exploring their way forward and several of them are more or less on to something at about the same time, but they do not quite know what it is until someone has a break-through. Charles Darwin was nearly scooped by Alfred Russell Wallace for instance.

    However Einstein came up with his great ideas while working as a patent clerk in Switzerland. He had a great deal of trouble getting his ideas published. He had been denied further research opportunities because, basically, he did not have a powerful "patron". There was no way that he stole those ideas from anyone because he would not have been able to and anyway, great figures steal from little figures. Nobodies do not steal from Somebodies.

    He never did such great work again and in fact wasted a lot of the last years of his life because he did not like Quantum mechanics and tried to prove it wrong. Which suggests that the last thing he would do would be steal an idea from a pioneer in Quantum mechanics like Planck.
    Definitely agree. Honestly I have not looked into the allegations, I just dont see how it could be true.
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