I’m getting really fed up with being referred to as a 'kafir' as it is almost in all case’s being used in a derogative way.
This is a quote from another member in another thread, and it raises an important issue. In the current climate of ultra sensitive, politically correct, general touchiness of most people nowadays, it is safe to say many members of this forum demand respect for thier particular belief and/or religion. Many members would for example be upset even at the way A person used the word 'muslim' if the tone seemed a bit harsh. And certainly would lash out if any derogatory terms were used in reference to muslims.
Yet, many times the term 'kafir' (sometimes 'kufir') is used, and more than not in a derogative way. I understand the meaning of the word, and when used politely, it can appear to only be used for it's implied meaning. The truth is many members use it as a 'shot', an insult when they want to avoid any other name calling and risk mods warning them. Some examples are,
"you kafirs", "a kafir cannot understand", "you are just a kafir"
and many more. Basically, anytime it is used to imply that nonmuslims are lower in status, or inferior in understanding than a muslim. Truly, this only lends to the appearance of being ignorant and arrogant on the insulter. Any sensible person knows that a muslim is no better or worse than any other person.
It is true that many members demand respect as muslims, but if you continue to refer to others in this way, how can you expect to recieve this respect? It is antagonizing others and then claiming "you are angry againsts muslims", when in fact your words baited them into anger.
Yes it is true that nonmuslims are also doing this, and this just shows that we all need to think before we post. If you post something that is less than polite to another member, it is likely you may not like the response. Of course some like the fighting, and I don't know what to say about that case.
A kafir simply means 'disbeliever' So it shouldn't really be offensive, the same way a christian/hindu/jew/sikh etc. would call a muslim a disbeliever too.
A kafir simply means 'disbeliever' So it shouldn't really be offensive, the same way a christian/hindu/jew/sikh etc. would call a muslim a disbeliever too.
And "Paki" just means someone who is pure. And the N-word refers to someone who is Black. It is not what it means, it is how it is intended.
Personally I am proud to be a kafir.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
In honesty though you know many members are not using it to "only" refer to a nonbeliever, right?
ye its tru but try not to take it to heart. We all wish to be guided and help those who are not, we dont wanna cause any offence here. Plz keep this in mind
PEACE
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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ye its tru but try not to take it to heart. We all wish to be guided and help those who are not, we dont wanna cause any offence here. Plz keep this in mind
PEACE
It is not uncommon for christians to refer to nonchristians as 'infidels'. I wonder as an experiment, how members would feel if when refering to others as kafirs, they were referred to in response as an 'infidel'. I may try this. I will post here the result if it happens.
It is not uncommon for christians to refer to nonchristians as 'infidels'. I wonder as an experiment, how members would feel if when refering to others as kafirs, they were referred to in response as an 'infidel'. I may try this. I will post here the result if it happens.
lol should get jokes out of this
Peace man
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Exactly, it is just from one's point of view. The only flaw with my proposed experiment is that in order to get a comparitive response, I would have to use the word 'infidel' in the same tone and manner as 'kafir' is being used. I will have to judge if it is appropriate or not on a per case basis.
A kafir simply means 'disbeliever' So it shouldn't really be offensive, the same way a christian/hindu/jew/sikh etc. would call a muslim a disbeliever too.
Peace.
but bro, should we simply call them non muslims or disbelievers??
but bro, should we simply call them non muslims or disbelievers??
Obviously, we not doing it to offend them. But if they don't believe in islam, their a disbeliever/kafir. If they don't know about islam, then we can call them 'non-muslims.'
My point in this thread was to say that this word, whether being used to insult or not, is offensive to many. And when muslim members expect others to be sensitive to thier feelings, then they should reciprocate the sentiment.
His point is people are using kafir in the wrong term: kafir means disbeliever in islam, however you see comments like: oh don't listen to him, he's a dirty kafir. This is an insult - not a fact. Also, you see other comments like: "he's kafir therefore he smells". It leads to a form of racism you know. I don't go around calling people kafir cus i think it's anti social.
"Oh hello Kafir, thanks for the maths lesson. I enjoyed being taught by a kafir. Wanna come round my house for some tea, kafir? Actually, you can't as my house is a kafir-free zone." Not exactly doing me any favours whilst I live in a kafir-run country is it.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
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jus mesin, i get what u mean.
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