hmmmmm depends on the situation
but i think yeah if it meant no fightin and every1 was all lovey dovey happy dappy again
its called a white lie....ryt?
yes
no
it depends
Would you lie to get your friends to stop fighting?
I was just wondering..........
Would you lie to get your friends to stop fighting?
And yes, it is allowed by Islam to lie to create peace between two Muslims.
hmmmmm depends on the situation
but i think yeah if it meant no fightin and every1 was all lovey dovey happy dappy again
its called a white lie....ryt?
salam,
no i wouldn't cause lieing is NOT allowed and also one way or another they will find out!!!!
well... if 2 of my friends were fihting really loud id SHOUT first to c if they quieten down so that they could at least b civil 2 each other...and lie? id prefer not 2 but if it was neceassary and had 2 i would i fynk
yes i wud
i dont think so. If they found out it would be worse. When my friends fight i just watch.
[QUOTE=islamgyal;289600]salam,
no i wouldn't cause lieing is NOT allowed QUOTE]
there are some exceptions my sister.
from Untitled Document
Provisions for lying in Islam
Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:
War is deception.
The necessities justify the forbidden.
If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)
These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.
In the Hadith, Mohammed, emphasizes the same concept.
From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:
One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of God condone lying, except in these three situations:
For reconciliation among people.
In war.
Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."
Another says, "Aba Kahl, reconcile among people."(Meaning: even through lying.)
The following quote demonstrates the broadness of situations in which the prophet permitted lying. "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with these exceptions: During war because war is deception, to reconcile among two quarreling men, and for a man to appease his wife."
If lying is allowed in Islam...then there is no problem in lying.
I personally find lying to be a sin...my religion does also.
There is light in truth and darkness in lies. Lies lead to more lies...
erm.. sis at the end of the day we had a thread about lieing to your hubbys and wife but still i don't agree!!
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
salam,
that is so true thats what i believe too and lieing should NOT be allowed at all!!
I know you say it is not allowed, and I believe it shouldn't be allowedformat_quote Originally Posted by islamgyal
but why do so many say it is allowe...The Quran states it is allowed also..
just wondering
Do Muslims have to accept this being that the Quran proves lying is allowed.
I wouldn't lie...to stop friends fighting...I would insist that they speak the truth to one another...so everything is out in the open..and then they can discuss and patch things up from there.
format_quote Originally Posted by Nicola
yes, lying is a sin, but if we have an urgent reason, God willing, God will forgive us.
here's another example.......as muslims, we are not allowed to eat pork or drink alcohol......but say for instance, you are stranded somewhere and theres nobody there and you happen to find only those things, you can have a little.....enough to survive.............thats an urgent case.......and so is having your Muslim brother/sister fighting.
Peace.
yes I remember it..lolformat_quote Originally Posted by islamgyal
I expect the freedom of lying is there but you don't have to use it.?
I wouldnt lie just tell them thier mistakes, shout at them and force them to reconcile and at the end of the day, voila, they are friend again
format_quote Originally Posted by NicolaI know you say it is not allowed, and I believe it shouldn't be allowed
but why do so many say it is allowe...The Quran states it is allowed also..
just wondering
Do Muslims have to accept this being that the Quran proves lying is allowed.
I wouldn't lie...to stop friends fighting...I would insist that they speak the truth to one another...so everything is out in the open..and then they can discuss and patch things up from there.
salam,
sis that's what i say lieying is NOT just bad in islam but in other religions too.
and sis i don't know if it states it in the koran cause i can't read it and i am a revert
W.salam
is there anyone here that would lie to stop thier friends from fighting?
Don't think that i woul lie because they would fight over what i just said anyway.... Where I live it's easier to let people continue their fight in peace because after a couple of days they'll be linking arms and walking as if their best mates... So why lie or get involved?
from Untitled Document
Provisions for lying in Islam
Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:
War is deception.
The necessities justify the forbidden.
If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
These principles are derived from passages found in the Quran and the Hadith.
In the Quran, Allah, allegedly, says:
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89
"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225
"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106
The noted Islamic commentator, Al-Tabary explained Surah 16:106 as a verse that had been revealed to Mohammed after he learned that Ammar Ibn Yasser was forced to deny his faith in Mohammed when kidnapped by the Banu Moghera tribe. Mohammed consoled Ammar by telling him, "If they turned, you turn." (Meaning: if they again capture you, you are allowed to deny me again.)
These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts.
In the Hadith, Mohammed, emphasizes the same concept.
From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:
One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of God condone lying, except in these three situations:
For reconciliation among people.
In war.
Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."
Another says, "Aba Kahl, reconcile among people."(Meaning: even through lying.)
The following quote demonstrates the broadness of situations in which the prophet permitted lying. "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with these exceptions: During war because war is deception, to reconcile among two quarreling men, and for a man to appease his wife."
[QUOTE=Nicola;289616I personally find lying to be a sin...my religion does also.
There is light in truth and darkness in lies. Lies lead to more lies...[/QUOTE]
Hi Nicola
I agree with you to some extend.
Lying is a sin and should therefore be avoided.
But what if lying would prevent a greater sin? At an extreme, say, would you lie to save an somebody's life?
An intruder charges into your house with a gun, demanding to know where your friend is - because he wants to kill him/her! Your friend happens to be next door. Do you tell the intruder (- because, after all, lying is a sin), or do you lie to save your friend?
Personally, I would lie, because in this case Jesus' law to 'love your neighbour' would overrule the law 'not to lie'.
Just my personal interpretation! What do you think? I'd be fairly comfotable to stand before the Lord one day, and explain myself.
I'd love to hear your views.
God bless.
salam,
but sis ta for the details but still i don't believe that cause at the end of the day why ''lie'' though??
W.salam
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