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why in this day and age is it ok to just focus everything on people blaming islam and arresting muslims when ,you take alook around you the others are being terrorists also with women and childen being shot in palistine its seems perfectly ok for muslims to be the main target for everyone to blame and people like george bush and tony blair are innocent but they have innocent blood on thier hands also muslims being arrested in the uk then realeased without any charge what doe's it say alhamdulilah Allah is on our side or are we wrong in all this i don't think so at all why does not the west understand anything thier goverments think they are superior to any other they find it hard to tolarate anyone from the east it seems perfetctly ok to have weapons of mass distruction in the west so they can blow anyone up even china has weapons also india but when it comes too my arab brothers having some they dont like it ( beging to think thier is double standards here) or what but what can u expect from non believers brothers and sisters lets stick together and good friends also because i know there is good people of other faiths around who hate this persicution also
Why is it okay for people to judge!? Isn't it a sin in Christianity or in other faiths?
I'm just curious..btw
yes it is but u know as muslims we are always guilty till we are proven innocent,,,,,i thought it was innocent to proven guilty but seems more and more muslim brothers are being arrested without charge these days i think the police have nothing better to do they need thier monthly quota for the home office
and yes judging is a sin. saying someone is worst, less moral, sinfull then you are is a sin.
ad. judging in courts - they dont't judge morality, but only law. so many of us say this is not sin. But other (mennonites, quaker, ammish, anabaptists) say it is (they also don't work in police or army because, than they would have to use force against people)
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Look at what i found on the internet written by a Christian:
Imagine that you are Christian, from a moderate, mainline denomination... say Presbyterian. You wake up one morning and suddenly find that you are in a tiny religious minority. Almost everyone around you shares a faith different from yours, and you are suddenly distinct.
You surf the web a bit, and find strange and bizarre websites that talk about the "threat" of Christianity. These sites talk about the massacres in Rwanda, the Inquisition, Soviet Communism, the World Wars and Jonestown. As you try to wrap your head around the websites, they get even more bizarre... they quote the harsh punishments in Exodus and Leviticus and try to portray Christianity as a death cult, focused on the drinking of blood and cannibalism.
The sites list odd, seemingly unconnected events and present them as all being manifestations of the "plague" of Christianity. Essentially every bad event or problem that occurred somewhere, sometime in some remote corner of Christendom is presented... and Christianity itself, as well as Christians as individuals are blamed. Some are downright crazy... Soviet Communism? They were atheists for crying out loud! The website says that while that's true, the Russian Orthodox Church didn't speak out sufficiently against it to stop it, making them complicit, and in any case the Communists emanated from a demonstrably Christian culture.
Shaking your head, you go outside and start your day. You note the stares and odd glances that you receive. Smiling, you shrug them off and go about your business. You don't get far before someone asks you, out of the blue, why "you people" dance with poisonous snakes. You start to tell them that your denomination has never... but before you can answer, you're asked what you're going to do about Filipino Christians who sell their children into the sex trade. You've never heard that one before, but acknowledge that it might be true...you're about to ask why they are asking you about this when suddenly you're told that a straight answer can't be expected from the likes of you anyway, because afterall, you're probably a pedophile who burns witches.
Convinced that you've encountered someone with a severe mental illness, you get away fast. But not long afterward, the guys at work tell you how "lucky" you are, because as a Christian, everyone knows that you practice polygamy. You tell them no, I am Presbyterian, we don't do that... maybe your thinking of an obscure sect of Mormons. They reply that that can't be true, because it's clearly stated in the Bible that it's allowed. You defer to your Bible scholar colleagues, not wanting to create further trouble, and then you're asked to explain why, if Christianity isn't a death cult, that "you guys" start so many wars, and kill so many civilians? And what about those Christian-sponsored massacres in Guatemala where whole villages got wiped out? And why do you guys do that weird thing with the pig's head on your holiest day (Anglicans)? What's wrong with you people, you know Christians have the highest suicide rate in the world (Sweden), and why does the Bible say to abuse your children?
I think you get the drift...
Demonization
Scapegoating
Conspiracism
Collective guilt
These things are wrong."
why in this day and age is it ok to just focus everything on people blaming islam and arresting muslims
Who has blamed Islam? George Bush and Tony Blair have both gone to great length to say the problem is not Islam. And who else should they arrest? The profile of a typical suicide bomber is a young, male, pious Muslim. What is the point harassing 60-year-old nuns? You want to stop suicide bombing, you have to concentrate on the community that produces them.
when ,you take alook around you the others are being terrorists also with women and childen being shot in palistine
This is your only example of non-Muslim-related terrorism? I do not accept that the Israeli Army is acting as terrorists when it does that but let's suppose it does. The British police did, in fact, try to arrest an Israeli general for war crimes the other day - he fled the UK. But those crimes are not being committed on British soil. They are being commited in Israel. So what can the British police do? We are, however, coming up to the anniversary of the 7-7 bombings. They were commited in Britain by British people from a particular Faith community. Who should the police target to prevent such bombings? The Hare Krishnas?
You may not like what the police do, but what is the alternative? I am serious - if you have a better option let's hear it. Reassure me that you do not want these bombers to have free reign to kill as they please.
its seems perfectly ok for muslims to be the main target for everyone to blame and people like george bush and tony blair are innocent but they have innocent blood on thier hands
no Bush and Blair do not. And who is blaming Muslims except for some odd fringe people like Melanie Whatshername?
also muslims being arrested in the uk then realeased without any charge what doe's it say
It says that the British Muslim communities are not helping the police. They are not providing accurate information. They are not co-operating. They only say they are opposed to the bombings, but not in their actions. What do you think it says?
why does not the west understand anything thier goverments think they are superior to any other
Their governments are superior to any other. Which is why Muslims die trying to reach the West and no Western will move to a Muslim country except for vast sums of money.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
The reason why we're here is becuase the British Empire touched our own lands, and the reason why we come in our thousands is becuase the Empire stole our wealth, the reason why we think we should be able to come is becuase they took our countries, and we demand pay back!
The reason why we're here is becuase the British Empire touched our own lands, and the reason why we come in our thousands is becuase the Empire stole our wealth, the reason why we think we should be able to come is becuase they took our countries, and we demand pay back!
The British did take a lot of lands - but they were God's to dispose of as He saw fit. Are you claiming it was wrong of God to give them to the British?
The Empire created vast amounts of wealth all over the world. The Muslims of the Empire were much better off because of it. No matter how much they took, they gave more back.
The reason so many Muslims came is because the British generously offered the hand of friendship. That was, it is clear from this site and the recent bombings, a mistake. Even I think so now.
You are certainly taking pay back now. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
yes it is but u know as muslims we are always guilty till we are proven innocent,,,,,i thought it was innocent to proven guilty but seems more and more muslim brothers are being arrested without charge these days i think the police have nothing better to do they need thier monthly quota for the home office
Guess what.. under the new so called anti-terror laws in Australia, it really is bloody guilty until proven innocent! Talk about justice! ffended:
Not true in all cases, most of the muslims are here because many people were needed to work in poor working conditions with low pay - so it was'nt the generous "hand of friendship" you seem to paint it as.
But in no cases did they do what the Germans did, or what the Gulf States do, and offer guest-worker programs. They were allowed to come here as free and full citizens with full benefits that come with that. So it was extremely generous and a hand of friendship.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
So called 'ethnic minority' gets kicked out, the country will be in turmoil, there aren't enough 'White' professionals such as Doctors, engineers etc.
You think? Eastern Europe is full of doctors and engineers and anyway the only ethnic minority that is a problem is a particular Faith community. This particular Faith community does not do well at higher education, its young men are more likely to drop out of school and be unemployed. In fact they tend to be worse off than White boys. If all the Muslims were deported from Britain the British budget would probably be a nett beneficiary. Britain would still have all those Hindu and Sikh doctors after all.
Who's gonna do some vital jobs?
Lithuanians? Who cares as long as they obey the law and don't blow people up.
Yobs? the wise/clever English people are already doing their jobs, and we all leave, there will be a huge short fall....
Bangladeshis and Pakistanis together have a long-term unemployment rate nearly three times greater than people of West Indian descent. In the inner cities, nearly half of all Bangladeshi and Pakistani adults are out of work.
Again, the number of Muslims in prison in England and Wales rose by 40% in the four years to 1995 to account for nine per cent of the prison population, although Muslims constitute only about four per cent of the entire British population.
Muslim hardship under spotlight
Muslims at mosque
Muslims suffer high unemployment and deprivation
Many Muslims in England face bleak employment prospects and endure poor standards of housing, a government-backed study has found.
The report revealed Muslims were more likely than any other faith group to be jobless and living in poor conditions.
It said 14% of Muslims aged over 25 were unemployed, compared with the national unemployment rate of 4%.
University researchers in Birmingham, Derby, Oxford and Warwick also found Muslims had poorer levels of education.
The study, commissioned to review the prospects of faith communities in England, also said Muslims were more vulnerable to long-term illness.
And one in three lived in the most deprived areas of England.
'Multiple deprivation'
"Taking the Muslim population as a whole, they face some of the most acute conditions of multiple deprivation," the report said.
The bottom line is no matter what contribution British Muslims make to the UK, if peace coexistence is not possible, and clearly it is not, one of us has to go. I'd prefer it not to be the non-Muslim community.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
So, becuase terrorist will blow up innocent people, we should act like people are guilty until proven innocent?
[EDIT: retorical question...]
No we should have a sense of proportion and perspective. We should weigh up the benefits and costs of any change. And we should view each and every law in terms of what it hopes to accomplish.
If you don't like it please feel free to offer any other viable alternative. No one has so far. The only other option seems to be to let them blow up as many kafirs as they like. I assume that is not your position.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
Some of the things said there are as though it's your country, nationalism is so easily identifiable, why don't you be a partiot for your country which has invaded and stole countries, it was like an unstopable land grab...
BUT, some things said was true, such as crime rates of the Muslims, although, they may be muslims by name, but in reality, they are nothings...
Very proud of your blood thirsty country of your's I see
Some of the things said there are as though it's your country, nationalism is so easily identifiable, why don't you be a partiot for your country which has invaded and stole countries, it was like an unstopable land grab...
Well Britain is not my country, but my country has done that. As has yours (assuming you do not think Britain is your country). As has everyone's. This is not nationalism.
BUT, some things said was true, such as crime rates of the Muslims, although, they may be muslims by name, but in reality, they are nothings...
You say this and I can believe that. But the Muslim community does nothing about it except demand more money from the government with threats. Muslims say the same about the bombers. But again, in reality, they do nothnig except demand more with threats.
Very proud of your blood thirsty country of your's I see
Some countries have proud histories. Some do not. Britain is not my country but it hasn't done too bad on the whole I think. Have you ever read the Chachnama? Read it and come back to me and tell me how awful Britain was.
Le coeur a ses raisons, que la raison ne connait pas. - Blaise Pascal
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why is ok always for muslims to be arrested
why does not the west understand anything thier goverments think they are superior to any other they find it hard to tolarate anyone from the east it seems perfetctly ok to have weapons of mass distruction in the west so they can blow anyone up even china has weapons also india but when it comes too my arab brothers having some they dont like it ( beging to think thier is double standards here) or what
but what can u expect from non believers brothers and sisters lets stick together and good friends also because i know there is good people of other faiths around who hate this persicution also
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