"What would the world look like, if in 1948, the state of Israel hadn’t been created? Unfortunately, President Harry S. Truman, under the “influence of the Zionists,” gave his endorsement to that violence-inspiring project. Since that time, life for the Palestinans has become a hell-on-earth under the heel of Israel’s brutal Death-Mayhem-&-Occupation Machine. John Lennon said, “Imagine there’s no countries.” Okay, let’s imagine: There is no Israel!"
“Imagine there’s no countries...Nothing to live or die for...Imagine all the people living life in peace.”
-- John Lennon
Thanks mostly to U.S. President Harry S. Truman and his “susceptibility to Zionist influence,” Israel came into existence in 1948. [1] Humanity, and in particular, the Palestinians, have paid dearly for his decision. The land on which the Palestinians had been living for centuries, in peace, with a minority Jewish population, has been gradually transformed into an Apartheid state by the machinations of the Zionist Movement. That Apartheid state, in turn, is today dominated by Israel’s Death-Mayhem-and- Occupation Machine. [2]
One wonders: What would the world look like today, if the state of Israel had not been created in 1948? Its improvident formation seems to have set in motion a chain of events, mostly negative, in the affairs of Mankind. In the movie, “Click,” the lead character finds a “universal remote” that allows him to rewind to different parts of his life and to change what had happened. If I possessed such a “universal remote” and could stop President Truman from aiding and abetting the establishment of an Israeli state, then, it is my speculation, (a theory), that the following 25 propositions would probably be our present day reality. They are:
1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.
2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.
3. Gasoline would be selling for less than $1 a gallon.
4. There would have been no 9/11.
5. There would be no USA Patriot Law.
6. There would be no Homeland Security Agency.
7. The Israeli Lobby’s “unmatched power” over the U.S.’ foreign policy, for over four decades, would not had existed. (Its support for the Iraqi War was deemed by the experts to be “critical.”) [3]
8. There would also not have been any Neocon ideologues; like Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Richard Perle, et al, to help, (along with other “Special Interests”), to push the U.S. into an illegal war with Iraq. [4]
9. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel. No “A Clean Break” document. No Israeli Lobby. No Neocons. No need for the U.S. to attack Iran.) [5]
10. The Zionist fink, Jonathan Pollard, wouldn’t be in prison for stealing U.S. military secrets and hawking them to Israel.
11. The three million-plus Palestinians, who were forcefully dispersed from their homeland, since 1948, by the Israeli Occupation Forces, (IOF), would, instead, be living happily there today, in a free and independent state of Palestine. There would be no Apartheid Wall, or as a corollary, a Hamas organization. [6]
12. Jerusalem would have a vibrant Christian population. [7]
13. Rachel Corrie of Olympia, WA, would be alive and well. [8]
14. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Gitmo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today. (At the following footnote, see horrific photos of some of the Iraqi dead.) [9]
15. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue “No. 1.” [10] Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending “Israel’s security.”
16. If there was no Israel, then the “five dancing Israelis” on 9/11 wouldn’t have been arrested. They were nailed after “celebrating” in NJ, while watching the Twin Towers collapsed. [11]
17. U.S. taxpayers would be $140 billion richer! This is the staggering amount they have shelled out over the last 58 years to support the ultra-greedy interests of the Zionist Cartel. [3]
18. The 34 Americans onboard the USS Liberty, who were slaughtered by the IOF, on June 8, 1967, would be alive today; and the 174 others who had suffered injuries that day would not have had to endure their horrific experiences. The shame the U.S. carries for not having quickly defended the men of the Liberty, and retaliated against the Israelis for their deliberate attack on the vessel, would have been avoided. [12]
19. On June 13, 2006, the IOF killed ten Palestinians, including three medical workers and two children, in the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, labeled the missile attack an example of “state terrorism.” Only God knows how many Palestinians the Israelis have actually wasted since 1948; or exactly how many refugees it has created, or how many homes, a la Oliver Cromwell, the IOF have demolished. None of this would have been possible without the dubious “state of Israel.” [13]
20. Paul Bremer, a coat holder for Henry “Iago” Kissinger, would have never been appointed Viceroy for an Occupied Iraq. No Israel. No Iraqi War. No Zionist Bremer as Viceroy of Iraq. [14]
21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a “Special Counsel” to the Commission. He concocted the preposterous “Magic Bullet” theory, which shut down any real conspiracy-type probe. It is also interesting to note, that Jacob Rubenstein, aka, “Jack Ruby,” Lee Harvey Oswald’s murderer, had close ties to Meyer Lansky’s National Crime Syndicate. I believe the answer to who really plotted JFK’s killing, died with Oswald. In any event after JFK’s death, Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which he had opposed went ahead. U.S. aid to Israel also increased dramatically. [15]
22. There would have been no reason for a French Ambassador to refer to Israel as “that ****ty little country.” [16] In fact, the Jews of the world would have been liberated to fulfill their deepest spiritual quest, as embodied in their religion - Judaism. According to the highly respected Orthodox Rabbi, Dovid Yisroel Weiss, “Zionism has hijacked Judaism.” The courageous Rabbi insists that, “Zionism creates anti-Semitism...And we know...Zionism is the root cause for the pain, suffering and bloodshed of the Jewish people...and, they, (the Zionists), are the greatest factory of anti-Semitism worldwide...Judaism and Zionism is not one and the same. They are diametrically opposite...We should not be mistaken one for the other. And, we shouldn’t be responsible for the actions of what the Zionists do...Now, another of the problems that emanate actually from the Zionist Movement is the fact that they are encroaching upon the rights of the Palestinian people, the indigenous people, who are living there. And, this is terribly wrong. It is against every concept of the Torah...So, whatever they are doing is totally wrong!” [17]
23. Thousands of Israelis have died attempting to build a nation in a land, Palestine, which belonged to another people, the Palestinians. Their deaths would have been avoided. [18]
24. The widespread spying on Americans, without a court order, by operatives of the Bush-Cheney Gang, would have never happened. (No Israel. No 9/11. No spying on U.S. citizens.)
25. On April 4, 2003, a European Union (EU) poll named Israel as the “greatest threat to world peace.” [19] On June 27, 2006, the IOF proved the EU right by reoccupying Gaza, savagely terrorizing the civilian population, blowing up their electric/water generating facilities, conducting a mass arrest of their elected officials, and also, without just cause, provoking the Syrians. In response to the repeated shelling by the IOF of Gaza, Israel’s Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, wisecracked, “Nobody dies from being uncomfortable!” When he addressed a Joint Session of the U.S. Congress, on May 24, 2006, Olmert received 38 breaks of applause and 18 standing ovations from that entity of mostly lapdogs. This is also the same Israeli leader, who, paraphrasing George Orwell's “Animal Farm,” said that he had a “deep regret” about the effects of some IOF’s operations which had killed 14 innocent Palestinians in just nine days, but that the lives of Israeli citizens were “even more important.”(20) Finally, if there wasn’t a Zionist-created Israel, there also wouldn’t be any need for a commentary like this one!
What if Islam had not been created? Would there be a terrorist network? Would there be war in India? Would there even BE a Pakistan? Would there be war in Indonesia?
"What would the world look like, if in 1948, the state of Israel hadn’t been created? Unfortunately, President Harry S. Truman, under the “influence of the Zionists,” gave his endorsement to that violence-inspiring project. Since that time, life for the Palestinans has become a hell-on-earth under the heel of Israel’s brutal Death-Mayhem-&-Occupation Machine. John Lennon said, “Imagine there’s no countries.” Okay, let’s imagine: There is no Israel!"
Israel was formed because after WW2 there was a very large number of displaced Jews, living in Europe and who had lost their homes. The question came up as to who was going to take care of them and where could they be housed. Palestine was under British rule as the Palestinian mandate at that time. This brought about what seemed to be a perfect solution. Give the Jews Palestine, incentive for them to want to go was to let the Zionists be convinced this was the promised homeland. Remember, in the early days many Jews did not want to go to Israel, it was up to the Zionists to convince them that it was their right and heritage, it was not a forced extradition from Europe. A play on peoples beliefs and needs. Result: It removed many of the Jews from Europe in a mass extradition and the Jews were convinced it was their own idea.
One overlooked problem. Palestine was already occupied by people who love it and see it as their homeland.
Trying to see what the world would be like if Israel had not been created. I think it would be similar to what it was like prior to WW2. The majority of the worlds Jews living in Poland and Germany as second class citizens with a goal of migrating to the USA preferably New York or Chicago.
The majority of the Jews with no homeland and dreams of one day being united in their own land. However, each secretly wishing it does not happen in their life time as they had no desire to give up Western conveniences to live as pioneers in an undeveloped desert.
There would still be terrorism in the world, except the focus would be on real threats and not on an easily identified group.
The "War on Terrorism" has some basicaly good points. But it being focused on Muslims has directed it away from true terroristic threats within each country. This has given organised crime a very strong smoke screen to keep their activities out of view.
Without Israel, and the focus on Palestinian "Terrorists" The USA would have the resources to fight real terrorism in our homelands and have the time to address drug problems, child pornography etc. The Drug cartell must love Israel, because the current problems are giving them an opportunity for world exapnsion, with little concern as they are not seen as a major threat.
I firmly believe in fair and just treatment for the Jews and I believe they have a right to a homeland. I just believe that because of the way it was established, the Current Israel is an artificial country. I believe if things were left for mutual good of both Jews and Palestinians a true Isreli State would have PEACEFULLY formed for the mutual good of both Jews and Muslims.
What if Islam had not been created? Would there be a terrorist network? Would there be war in India? Would there even BE a Pakistan? Would there be war in Indonesia?
if there was no islam, u would still be in the dark ages lol. no medicine science and numbers, no access to Aristotle and Plato and most importantly, no europe.
chk this quote:
We have to go back to history and see how much Europe gained from the knowledge and ideas in science, technology, philosophy, literature and culture of Muslim civilization. There are thousands of words in English – such as algebra, zenith, alcohol – that are route maps of the positive contribution Muslims made to European ways of life. Indeed, Europe acquired its crowning glory, liberal humanism, from Islam. Islam taught Europe the very idea of reason as well as how to reason. Muslim thinkers like ibn Rushd, ibn Sina and al-Haytham, who had their names Latinized, became integral parts of the rise of knowledge and technical progress in European life. This contribution occurred and was possible because both Islam and the West had a common context and legacy from the Greco-Roman world and both, as monotheistic worldviews, had to revise and critically evaluate the ideas of Greek thought. Christianity and Islam share the common legacy of the Abrahamic tradition. There are values, precepts and ideals, as distinct from specific doctrines, that are common to both or markedly similar. There is a retelling of history and ideas to be undertaken.
and chk this other quote by Ziauddin Sardar
"the west's hatred of Islam stems from, more than anything else, the denial of its true lineage. The western world as we understand it is a child of Islam. Without Islam, the west - however we conceive it today - would not exist. "
and this quote
Without Islam's example, the Renaissance thinkers may have presented their ideas in a much more provocative form, setting them back hundreds of years due to widespread hate, distrust, and non-acceptance of what people would perceive to be overly radical ideas.
and why is this about islam anyway? what has israel zionism gotta do with judaism. shall i mention what the world would be without christianity or judaism cuz that would be foolish
"Sonz," what have we told about denying our real estate, I mean, erm, Motherland! You speak only lies and ill will! FOOL!
"This world is a blank price tag, and whatever value you put on it, is what its worth to you. I have made this world priceless and worthless, so therefore I have placed my value in the afterlife."
What if Islam had not been created? Would there be a terrorist network? Would there be war in India? Would there even BE a Pakistan? Would there be war in Indonesia?
There would be war regardless..
muslims had no part in the two great wars..
question is, what if everyone was God-fearing?
It is Allah, except Whom there is no God; the King, the Pure, the Giver of Peace, the Bestower of Safety, the Protector, the Most Honourable, the Compeller, the Proud; Purity is to Allah from all what they ascribe as partners (to Him)! Al-Quran 59:23
I agree it would have been better if Israel had not been created. But that's alternative history and Israel is here today.
There was a time, 20 years ago, when the world had sympathy for the Palestinians.
Palstinians who still held title deeds to their houses should have used international courts and the press to state their case. Instead they used violence. And lost the world's sympathy.
Why are there references to Iraq in the original post? If Israel had not been formed the following would have happened:
Saddam is born
Saddam invades Iran.
The West would have been keen to send troops to help Iran except that the Cold War was on and this might have led to a war against Russia
Saddam invades Kuwait
The world sends forces to fight Saddam
The war ends early and Saddam is not ousted.
8 years later the war continues and Saddam is ousted.
There would be war regardless..
muslims had no part in the two great wars..
question is, what if everyone was God-fearing?
Germany and Italy occupied much of North Africa and the Middle East during WW2. There were many battles between the axis forces and Muslim armies, some of the most noted being in Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Palestine, Turkey, and Lebannon.
Ok im annoyed. Someone posts an article just to show how people think, even if its not by a Muslim then we get an attack by the likes of Joe. Stick to the article. Quit bouncing around.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Ok im annoyed. Someone posts an article just to show how people think, even if its not by a Muslim then we get an attack by the likes of Joe. Stick to the article. Quit bouncing around.
Why are you annoyed? This is a thread based on hypotheticals... why be angry if a few more are thrown around.
If you do it then expect some. Don't say stuff then expect to get good treatment.
If anyone has ANY morals, Muslim or not, you'll stop with the cheap shots. It's sickening and pathetic.
Note that im speaking generally.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
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