Kissing thumb nails & Rubbing Eyelids

**thahira** · 07-20-2006

Salam to :brother: & :sister:

My question here is whether you have notice that some muslims kiss the nails of their thumbs and rub them on their eyelids while hearing the Prophets (PBUH) name during the Adhan. Is it permissible to do such act if there is?

Wassalam

**lolwatever** · 07-20-2006

that's a freaky deed lol
no evidence and definately not a sunnah, it's a silly thing that Allah didn't command us to do.

salams

**Eddi** · 07-20-2006

Originally Posted by thahira

Salam to :brother: & :sister:

My question here is whether you have notice that some muslims kiss the nails of their thumbs and rub them on their eyelids while hearing the Prophets (PBUH) name during the Adhan. Is it permissible to do such act if there is?

Wassalam

I heard that they kiss their thumbs and rub their eyes any time they hear the Prophet's SAW name. But they do not do that in prayer they do it outside of prayer. They probably know that it is not part of Sunnah.

**lolwatever** · 07-20-2006

do they do it when they wake up? maybe they kiss their thumbs to wetten it and then rub their eyes as an alternative way to wash their faces in the morning....

**------** · 07-20-2006

Hmm interesting...I've seen lots of people do this... so its definitely bid'ah then?

**lolwatever** · 07-20-2006

yeh im reeeally sure of that, no basis deffo.

**thahira** · 07-20-2006

Originally Posted by Eddi

I heard that they kiss their thumbs and rub their eyes any time they hear the Prophet's SAW name. But they do not do that in prayer they do it outside of prayer. They probably know that it is not part of Sunnah.

Yes I agree that they only do it when they hear the Prophet's name (PBUH) in the Adhan not during prayers. But still I could not get the answer why. There must be some reason to do it or is it stated any where in the hadith?
AS after reading it i have not got any reasons.

wassalam

**amirah_87** · 07-20-2006

ass salaamu alaykum

it's an inovation..and Allah knows best!!

**maram** · 07-20-2006

yes it is really a bid,ah

**H4RUN** · 07-20-2006

i havn't got the quotes or quotes with me at the mo, but i read/heard [in a nut shell] Sayiddna Adam [as] wanted to witness the nur [light] of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, the same nur which everything is created from, this was the nur that was given by none other than Allah swt.....
So he asked 2 see this Nur of the person who was yet to come but his name existed along side Allah's in the heavens rather than his, after all he was the first human....
So Allah swt answered his request, the nur was going through the back of Sayiddna Adam [as] but he could not see it. so again he requested to see it....now the nur was shining through his forehead, so agan he couldn't see. He asked again, and he was told to put out his hand, and his shahada finger, fore finger?....he did so.....and the nur was reflected on tho his finger, and upon seeing this, he kissed his thumbs and rubbed his eyes...hence you can call it a sunnah of Adam [as]
There is another and i believe it is when hadhrat Bilal heard the adhan he did the same action, and the Prophet mentioned that he liked this action? ....
well people can claim that these hadith's are weak, and others use this as an arguement....
final words...Allahu-alim, Allah knows best.

thats my 2p worth
ma'salama

**thahira** · 07-20-2006

Originally Posted by H4RUN

i havn't got the quotes or quotes with me at the mo, but i read/heard [in a nut shell] Sayiddna Adam [as] wanted to witness the nur [light] of Prophet Muhammad pbuh, the same nur which everything is created from, this was the nur that was given by none other than Allah swt.....
So he asked 2 see this Nur of the person who was yet to come but his name existed along side Allah's in the heavens rather than his, after all he was the first human....
So Allah swt answered his request, the nur was going through the back of Sayiddna Adam [as] but he could not see it. so again he requested to see it....now the nur was shining through his forehead, so agan he couldn't see. He asked again, and he was told to put out his hand, and his shahada finger, fore finger?....he did so.....and the nur was reflected on tho his finger, and upon seeing this, he kissed his thumbs and rubbed his eyes...hence you can call it a sunnah of Adam [as]
There is another and i believe it is when hadhrat Bilal heard the adhan he did the same action, and the Prophet mentioned that he liked this action? ....
well people can claim that these hadith's are weak, and others use this as an arguement....
final words...Allahu-alim, Allah knows best.

thats my 2p worth
ma'salama

Salam

Thank bro for your kind explanations. May Allah s.w.t bless you.

Wassalam

**chacha_jalebi** · 07-20-2006

salaam

the reason y ppl do this is because, once RasoolAllah (saw) was comin into the mosque & Abu Bakr (ra) saw his reflection in his thumb nails & he kissed the reflection, because he saw RasoolAllah (saw), so he kissed his thumb nails HOWEVER .... he only kissed his thumbnaisl on dis 1 occasion he dint do it afta dis, he only did it wen he saw RasoolAllah (saw)reflection in dem & nowadays we dont see RasoolAllah (saw) reflection in our thumbnails unfortunately ... so 2 do it nowadays is biddah & dumb

**lolwatever** · 07-21-2006

lol that's cute mashalha heheh.. can u tell me where the hadith is located?

**manaal** · 07-21-2006

I have seen people in my country put theirthumb and forefinger together, kiss it and touch their nose with it when they say "sal-lallahu-aleihi-was-sallam" upon hearing prophet muhammad (PBUH)'s name.
I never did it cos it look so dumb when they do

. And my mum says she's never seen the Arabs do it, so it can't be a sunnah.

**------** · 07-21-2006

Whatever the arabs do doesn't mean its a sunnah, some arabs drink. Alcohol.

**Dawud_uk** · 07-21-2006

assalaamu alaykum,

from speaking to the scholars and students of knowledge, all the narrations about this are either weak or fabricated. the one regarding adam is a nortorious example and many scholars say it is fabricated.

a local brailwee alim was basically told to leave the masjid he was teaching at for speaking out over this issue and others and asking people not to commit innovations but the people preferred to continue their cultural innovations,

may Allah guide them but this is a serious matter that they would prefer to follow innovation over the sunnah. it is really sad that such people would do this.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud