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    Human Rights Watch: Israel Dropped Cluster Bombs on Civilians in
    Lebanon in Violation of Geneva Conventions
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    Speaking from Beirut, human rights investigator Peter Bouckaert
    tells Democracy Now: "We're very concerned that Israel is using
    these indiscriminate weapons it's unacceptable and a violation of
    the Geneva Conventions because these are indiscriminate and very
    very dangerous weapons." [includes rush transcript]



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    The United Nations has launched an emergency appeal for the
    international community to help the people of Lebanon. Emergency
    Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland said $150 million is needed urgently.
    A total of about 800,000 people have been forced to flee their
    homes. Food, water, fuel and medical supplies are running out in
    parts of the country. The UN says entire communities have been cut
    off because Israel has systemtically destroyed the country's
    networks of roads and bridges. Meanwhile, questions are being raised
    as to whether Israel is violating international law. On Sunday, UN
    High Commissioner Louise Arbour told CNN Israel's actions in Lebanon
    could lead to the prosecution of its military commanders. Meanwhile,
    Human Rights Watch says Israel is shelling civilian areas with
    cluster bombs. On Monday, Democracy Now reached Peter Bouckaert.
    He's the emergencies director for Human Rights Watch, currently in
    Beirut. He talked about the humanitarian situation on the ground, as
    well as the situation for Lebanon's hundreds of thousands of
    refugees.


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    AMY GOODMAN: On Monday, Democracy Now! reached Peter Bouckaert. He
    is the Emergencies Director for Human Rights Watch, currently in
    Beirut. He began by talking about the humanitarian situation on the
    ground.

    PETER BOUCKAERT: Well, I've been working in war zones for Human
    Rights Watch for the last decade almost, from Kosovo to Afghanistan
    and Iraq and Chechnya and Sierra Leone, and in terms of the dangers
    that we face out on the road, this definitely qualifies as one of
    the most dangerous places in the world right now. It's very
    difficult to deliver humanitarian aid to the south, and villages
    throughout the south continue to suffer from heavy bombardment.

    We document case after case of civilian homes which have been hit in
    the south, where entire families have been wiped out. I mean, one of
    the issues I've been absolutely shocked about in terms of this
    conflict is the number of children who have been killed, because in
    almost all of the cases that we're documenting, we're talking about
    a civilian home which is hit, and the parents are killed, along with
    four, five, sometimes six children, some as young as one year old.
    The youngest casualty that we've documented so far is two months
    old.

    It's very difficult to deliver aid to those villages in the south
    and in the Bekaa Valley, which are subject to the bombardment that
    we see. It's almost impossible for the humanitarian community to get
    the kind of safe passage guarantee that they need to be able to work
    down there and to get their trucks down there to deliver
    humanitarian supplies, and even ambulances have been hit in the
    south in the last few days.

    On the other side of the coin, it's also very difficult for
    villagers who are stuck in these villages in the south to leave
    their homes, even though Israel has ordered the immediate evacuation
    of all villages south of the Litani. We're talking about tens of
    thousands of people who are effectively stuck in this very active
    war zone, who are unable to flee because they are too afraid to
    travel on the road. Just yesterday -- well, on Sunday we documented
    more than ten cases of civilian cars, which were hit in the south;
    more than forty people were wounded, and eight or nine people were
    killed, simply for trying to flee to safety. So it really is a very,
    very desperate situation throughout Lebanon these days.

    Just a few days ago we documented an attack, which took place last
    Wednesday, on the village of Blida, in which the Israelis used
    cluster munitions. Human Rights Watch has been very critical of the
    use of cluster and munitions by the U.S. military, because these are
    indiscriminate weapons. Basically what they are is one big shell,
    which opens up and drops a number of smaller bomblets over a very
    large area. Many of these bomblets don't explode, so they
    effectively turn into mines.

    In this one attack that we documented one elderly woman was killed
    and twelve people were wounded from one family, including seven
    children. The husband of the family lost both of his legs, and I
    interviewed him in the hospital two days ago. So we're very
    concerned that Israel is using these indiscriminate weapons, cluster
    bombs, in populated areas. It's simply not acceptable and is a
    violation of the Geneva Conventions, because these are
    indiscriminate and very, very dangerous weapons.

    AMY GOODMAN: Peter Bouckaert of Human Rights Watch also talked about
    the plight of Lebanon's refugees.

    PETER BOUCKAERT: The United Nations has estimated that there is up
    to 500,000 displaced people in Lebanon today. That's almost a
    quarter of the population of Lebanon, and I think those numbers are
    quite accurate. There's more than a hundred schools in Beirut alone,
    who have been packed with refugees. Yesterday, we visited an
    underground parking lot of a major shopping center, where refugees
    are sleeping on two separate levels of the parking lot. And we go
    around on a daily basis to school after school after school, where
    every classroom has been taken over by multiple families.

    And they're not just people fleeing from the south. There are also
    those from Beirut itself, especially from the southern suburbs, who
    have lost their homes in this very fierce bombardment of the
    southern suburbs, the Shia-dominated suburbs of Lebanon. I can't
    emphasize just how vast the destruction is in the southern suburbs.
    Walking around there is just a stunning experience. You know, you're
    walking around and looking at these fourteen-story apartment
    buildings who have just been completely taken down, and you wonder
    what the military purpose Israel is hopes to achieve by taking down
    these civilian apartment buildings.

    Certainly there were in some of these neighborhoods some minor
    Hezbollah offices. For example, in one neighborhood we visited,
    there was a coop run by Hezbollah and a political office, but we
    don't think it justifies the kind of massive destruction that Israel
    is causing in these civilian neighborhoods of South Beirut.

    I think it's time for the international community to step in and to
    stop this onslaught on the civilian population of Lebanon. This is
    totally different from the kind of bombardment that we saw in Iraq
    and Afghanistan. Certainly we documented a lot of civilian
    casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan when we worked there, but at
    least in most of those cases we were able to determine what the
    specific military objective was that the U.S. hoped to achieve by
    these military strikes.

    In the case of Lebanon it's very, very difficult for us to see, at
    Human Rights Watch, what specific military objectives Israel is
    trying to achieve by bombarding these civilian homes in the south
    and the civilian neighborhoods of Southern Beirut. It certainly
    seems very far removed from fighting a war directly with Hezbollah.

    AMY GOODMAN: Peter Bouckaert is Emergencies Director from Human
    Rights Watch. He was speaking to us from Beirut.

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    Democracy Now! is a syndicated news and opinion radio and television program that airs on over 420 radio and television stations, on cable TV, and both satellite television networks in North America. The flagship national program of the Pacifica Radio network, it also broadcasts on community and NPR stations, public access cable television stations, Free Speech TV (channels 9410 and 9415 of the DISH Network), Link TV (channel 375 of the DirecTV satellite network), and over the internet, including as a "podcast". The program's full name is "Democracy Now! the War and Peace Report." The views of its broadcasters are generally left-wing
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    The views of its broadcasters are generally left-wing
    I know I can't stand neo-con media... how about you?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia View Post
    I know I can't stand neo-con media... how about you?
    Neither can I that's why most of what you see me post is frome Rueters and AP. The left can be even more batty than Neo Cons. I mean look at Moore, Sheehan, and Rall. The three stooges were brain surgeons campared to these people.
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    Speaking from Beirut, human rights investigator Peter Bouckaert
    tells Democracy Now: "We're very concerned that Israel is using
    these indiscriminate weapons it's unacceptable and a violation of
    the Geneva Conventions
    When you fight Militia the Geneva Convention means NOTHING. You expect no quarter and you give no quarter......... The Geneva Convention is a pre-defined rule of engagement between two or more opposing sides that are signatories of the said convention.

    Unless I am vey much mistaken, the Hezbo's are NOT signatories of it. It's not worth the paper that it is written on in these cases.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    Neither can I that's why most of what you see me post is frome Rueters and AP. The left can be even more batty than Neo Cons. I mean look at Moore, Sheehan, and Rall. The three stooges were brain surgeons campared to these people.
    It is hard to get the news now a days without some personal feelings and input... I have listened to the o'reilly factor and others and they annoy the crap out of me.... I feel the American eagle has crippled its left wing and I can understand why the left tends to get "batty" as you will.... Bill maher annoys me too and he is the darling of lefties.... surely there is middle ground.... the "independents" But I have always believed the adage that states "opinions are like A*******.... everyone has one... there is no reason to actually be one".... it is easy to get caught up in one's anger though... seldom however does it make any difference on both the giving and receiving end of a discussion....
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    format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia View Post
    It is hard to get the news now a days without some personal feelings and input... I have listened to the o'reilly factor and others and they annoy the crap out of me.... I feel the American eagle has crippled its left wing and I can understand why the left tends to get "batty" as you will.... Bill maher annoys me too and he is the darling of lefties.... surely there is middle ground.... the "independents" But I have always believed the adage that states "opinions are like A*******.... everyone has one... there is no reason to actually be one".... it is easy to get caught up in one's anger though... seldom however does it make any difference on both the giving and receiving end of a discussion....
    That's your problem, you think people like Bill O'Rielly and Shaun Hannity speak for the right. You want to truly find out what the right is thinking? Listen to Newt Gingrich when he's on these shows. As for me I go everywhere for info. I go to fox news, cnn, msnbc, the nation, the independent, the telegraph, al-jazeera, arabnews.com, the Jordan times amongst others.
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    Re: democracynow.org

    format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    That's your problem, you think people like Bill O'Rielly and Shaun Hannity speak for the right. You want to truly find out what the right is thinking? Listen to Newt Gingrich when he's on these shows. As for me I go everywhere for info. I go to fox news, cnn, msnbc, the nation, the independent, the telegraph, al-jazeera, arabnews.com, the Jordan times amongst others.
    The right makes no secret their thoughts and they are unfortunately very loud. I am quite familiar with the ging.... and after listening I don't think I am the one with the problem.....
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    Aaah! Newt Gingrich is a nut case, ooooooh! The only right-winger I like is Pat Buchanan, he's probably one of VERY FEW right-wingers who's not a complete NeoCon.

    As for what people THINK of the right-wing; Politics+$$$+God = RightWing, but look at Buchanan, he's none of those.
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    Pat Buchanan is a neo-isolationist. I've read many of his books and articles, and I actually voted for him in 2000.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi View Post
    Pat Buchanan is a neo-isolationist. I've read many of his books and articles, and I actually voted for him in 2000.
    And Verrrry Anti-Israel
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Geronimo View Post
    And Verrrry Anti-Israel
    Perhaps, although the books I've read of his didn't come off that way to me at all. I know he has made anti-Israel comments in the past though. I think I like him because of his traditional conservative stance on domestic issues, not so much his foreign policy approach.
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