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    Israel claims it's justified in bombing civilians because Hezbollah mingles with them. In fact, the militant group doesn't trust its civilians and stays as far away from them as possible.

    By Mitch Prothero
    Jul. 28, 2006 | The bombs came just as night fell, around 7 p.m. The locals knew that the 10-story apartment building had been the office, and possibly the residence, of Sheik Tawouk, the Hezbollah commander for the south, so they had moved their families out at the start of the war. The landlord had refused to rent to Hezbollah when they requested the top floors of the building. No matter, the locals said, the Hezb guys just moved in anyway in the name of the "resistance."

    Everyone knew that the building would be hit eventually. Its location in downtown Tyre, which had yet to be hit by Israeli airstrikes, was not going to protect it forever. And "everyone" apparently included Sheik Tawouk, because he wasn't anywhere near it when it was finally hit.

    Two guided bombs struck it in a huge flash bang of fire and concrete dust followed by the roar of 10 stories pancaking on top of each other, local residents said. Jihad Husseini, 46, runs the driving school a block away and was sitting in his office when the bombs struck. He said his life was saved because he had drawn the heavy cloth curtains shut on the windows facing the street, preventing him from being hit by a wave of shattered glass. But even so, a chunk of smoldering steel flew through the air, broke through the window and the curtain, and shot past his head and through the wall before coming to rest in his neighbor's home.

    But Jihad still refuses to leave.

    "Everything is broken, but I can make it better," he says, surrounded by his sons Raed, 20, and Mohammed, 12. "I will not leave. This place is not military, it is not Hezbollah; it was an empty apartment."

    Throughout this now 16-day-old war, Israeli planes high above civilian areas make decisions on what to bomb. They send huge bombs capable of killing things for hundreds of meters around their targets, and then blame the inevitable civilian deaths -- the Lebanese government says 600 civilians have been killed so far -- on "terrorists" who callously use the civilian infrastructure for protection.

    But this claim is almost always false. My own reporting and that of other journalists reveals that in fact Hezbollah fighters -- as opposed to the much more numerous Hezbollah political members, and the vastly more numerous Hezbollah sympathizers -- avoid civilians. Much smarter and better trained than the PLO and Hamas fighters, they know that if they mingle with civilians, they will sooner or later be betrayed by collaborators -- as so many Palestinian militants have been.

    For their part, the Israelis seem to think that if they keep pounding civilians, they'll get some fighters, too. The almost nightly airstrikes on the southern suburbs of Beirut could be seen as making some sense, as the Israelis appear convinced there are command and control bunkers underneath the continually smoldering rubble. There were some civilian casualties the first few nights in places like Haret Hreik, but people quickly left the area to the Hezbollah fighters with their radios and motorbikes.
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

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    U.N.- Hezbollah Are Cowards, To Blame For Civilian Deaths - 1 Week Ago

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    Jul 24, 6:23 PM EDT

    U.N. Exec Blames Hezbollah for Deaths

    By LAUREN FRAYER
    Associated Press Writer

    BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) -- The U.N. humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah on Monday of "cowardly blending" in among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.

    The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.

    Jan Egeland spoke to reporters at Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after visiting Lebanon to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday, he toured the rubble of Beirut's southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.

    During that visit, he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides and called Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and "a violation of international humanitarian law."


    On Monday, he had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel, captured two soldiers and killed eight others on July 12, triggering fierce fighting.

    "Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."

    "We need a cessation of hostilities because this is a war where civilians are paying the price," said Egeland, who was heading to Israel next.

    At least 600,000 Lebanese have fled their homes, according to the World Health Organization. One estimate by Lebanon's finance minister putting the number at 750,000, nearly 20 percent of the population.


    During his visit to Lebanon earlier Monday, Egeland issued an emergency appeal for $150 million to help Lebanon through the next three months. He told reporters in Beirut the money was needed to pay for food, health care, water and sanitation.

    "Approximately 500,000 to 800,000 people have been affected by the conflict, of whom some have become displaced persons or refugees," a U.N. statement said.

    The United Nations has contracted 100 trucks to deliver aid coming into Beirut around the country. Egeland said the U.N. hoped to send its first land convoy to Tyre on Wednesday. Similar convoys will be scheduled every second day after that. An international Red Cross convoy was expected in the city Monday.

    Egeland said he was asking Israel for safe passage for aid ships to enter the northern port of Tripoli and the southern port of Tyre, which has been heavily bombarded. So far, Israel has loosened its sea blockade of Lebanon only to let ships in Beirut port.

    "We're hopeful that in the course of this week, you'll see real progress on the ground. Lebanon has a right to be frustrated," he said.

    He said the U.N. was also asking Israel to also guarantee safe passage throughout Lebanon.

    Hundreds of thousands of refugees have flowed out of mainly Shiite regions - the south, the Bekaa and the crowded Shiite neighborhood of Beirut - crowding into cities including the southern port of Sidon, the remainder of Beirut and parts of the north and central mountains.

    "We are particularly worried about the population in south Lebanon and the (eastern) Bekaa Valley. It's here that they're in the crossfire and from where they're being displaced," Egeland said.

    Continued Israeli bombardment makes the aid mission risky.

    "Only cessation of hostilities can make it safe for us and our humanitarian colleagues," Egeland said.

    © 2006 The Associated Press.


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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by Lamaggad View Post
    The "hiding among civilians" myth

    Israel claims it's justified in bombing civilians because Hezbollah mingles with them. In fact, the militant group doesn't trust its civilians and stays as far away from them as possible.

    By Mitch Prothero

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    Good article... keep it up.

    Babybackribs -> keep up the ignorance bro,

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    In fact, the militant group doesn't trust its civilians
    That is really interesting.
    I wondery why?
    Maybe because of the thousand that have died after they attacked Israel.
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kidman View Post
    Babybackribs -> keep up the ignorance bro, Kidman



    It's easy to bad-mouth someone, junior. But what do you think about the U.N.'s Humanitarian Chief saying Hezbollah are cowards hiding amongst civilians ? Care to comment on that ?
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by najiullah View Post
    thanks for sharing


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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by babybackribs View Post
    It's easy to bad-mouth someone, junior. But what do you think about the U.N.'s Humanitarian Chief saying Hezbollah are cowards hiding amongst civilians ? Care to comment on that ?
    Like i said in the other post... you only found one person and you believed him ignorantly instead of looking at the fact and what is more common sense.

    Let's see... Hezbollah hides behind people they are defending? If so, why haven't they found any Hezbollah in the Qana massacre? Or, i might add, in all the other civilian territories that were bombed???

    Let me guess of your answer... "They hide there, then before Israel is about to hit they get intellegence of it and run... leaving the civilians there to die."

    Maybe you should use your own brain instead of listening to other idiots.

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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kidman View Post
    Like i said in the other post... you only found one person and you believed him ignorantly instead of looking at the fact and what is more common sense.

    Let's see... Hezbollah hides behind people they are defending? If so, why haven't they found any Hezbollah in the Qana massacre? Or, i might add, in all the other civilian territories that were bombed???

    Let me guess of your answer... "They hide there, then before Israel is about to hit they get intellegence of it and run... leaving the civilians there to die."

    Maybe you should use your own brain instead of listening to other idiots.

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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    As my mommie use to say, "The pot calling the cattel black".
    You mean kettle, surely?
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kidman View Post
    Like i said in the other post... you only found one person and you believed him ignorantly instead of looking at the fact and what is more common sense.

    Let's see... Hezbollah hides behind people they are defending? If so, why haven't they found any Hezbollah in the Qana massacre? Or, i might add, in all the other civilian territories that were bombed???

    Let me guess of your answer... "They hide there, then before Israel is about to hit they get intellegence of it and run... leaving the civilians there to die."

    Maybe you should use your own brain instead of listening to other idiots.

    Kidman


    This 'only one person' you mention is the guy whos' job it is to find this stuff out. It's not like they asked a janitor or a bus driver. This guy knows what he's sees. And he sees Hezbollah acting as cowards. Storing and shooting missles from civilians yards.
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    You mean kettle, surely?
    Yes. Dang my spell checker. laying:
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by babybackribs View Post
    Way of Life: Undisclosed
    U.N.- Hezbollah Are Cowards, To Blame For Civilian Deaths - 1 Week Ago

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...ION=HOME&TEMPL ATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-24-18-23-02


    Jul 24, 6:23 PM EDT

    U.N. Exec Blames Hezbollah for Deaths

    By LAUREN FRAYER
    Associated Press Writer

    BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) -- The U.N. humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah on Monday of "cowardly blending" in among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.

    The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.

    Jan Egeland spoke to reporters at Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after visiting Lebanon to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday, he toured the rubble of Beirut's southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.

    .....................
    ...............
    ...........

    © 2006 The Associated Press.


    Jan says Hezbollah are cowards. I beleive Jan !
    Please post your crap out of this thread... this thread is about the stupid excuse that israel is using for the sake of killing more kids and women...

    such an ignorant person.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Lamaggad View Post
    Please post your crap out of this thread... this thread is about the stupid excuse that israel is using for the sake of killing more kids and women...

    such an ignorant person.
    Please post your crap out of this thread... this thread is about the stupid excuse that Hezbollah is using for the sake of killing more kids and women...

    such an ignorant person
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by babybackribs View Post
    This 'only one person' you mention is the guy whos' job it is to find this stuff out. It's not like they asked a janitor or a bus driver. This guy knows what he's sees. And he sees Hezbollah acting as cowards. Storing and shooting missles from civilians yards.
    Ok.. I am telling you to look at the facts, not what this one guy is saying. Look at everything else buddy... look at the facts i gave you.

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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    Kidman & babybackribbs
    Do you think every thing one side has done is right and everything the other side has done is wrong?
    Do you exclude the posibility that there is a mixture of good and bad on both sides?
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Kidman & babybackribbs
    Do you think every thing one side has done is right and everything the other side has done is wrong?
    Do you exclude the posibility that there is a mixture of good and bad on both sides?
    I don't exclude the possibility, but I agree with Hezbollah 100% with what they are doing and how they are handling things... I couldn't have run it better myself... I believe they are truely following the words of Allah and Allah is proud of their courage.

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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    Kidman
    I don't exclude the possibility, but
    The "but" perty well covers it. If must be real simple for people that live in a black and white world. But then, that is just another reality excape.
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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    Kidman

    The "but" perty well covers it. If must be real simple for people that live in a black and white world. But then, that is just another reality excape.
    I'm not escaping reality here. If they did something i didn't approve of then i would not lie just to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: The 'hiding among civilians' excuse

    format_quote Originally Posted by Kidman View Post
    I'm not escaping reality here. If they did something i didn't approve of then i would not lie just to give them the benefit of the doubt.

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