Pirated software, illegally downloaded MP3's, pirate DVD's etc. Even the dodgy OS we are using right here, right now that Amo got us from his work...
We all know they are illegal.
We all know deep down that they are wrong.
We all know that stuff.
And if we didn't, we do now.
So are you going to delete each and every one of those downloads? Are you going to unInstall illegal software etc? Are you going to throw away those pirate DVDs?
Ooooooooh. This is hard isn't it. how many other 'small' sins are you prepared to ignore?
Well?
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I can't see downloading as a sin, it's a network of people sharing what they have. The stuff you download might be haram, but the principle of downloading is guiltfree.
there are 3 people, X, Y and Z. And we have the shop keeper.
Shopkeeper sells a packet of chocolate to person X, he later goes down the road to see person Y, so he hands person Y the packet of chocolates, person Y goes home to see person Z at his house, and then shares the chocolate....
The shop keeper can't really sue anybody can he/she?
there are 3 people, X, Y and Z. And we have the shop keeper.
Shopkeeper sells a packet of chocolate to person X, he later goes down the road to see person Y, so he hands person Y the packet of chocolates, person Y goes home to see person Z at his house, and then shares the chocolate....
The shop keeper can't really sue anybody can he/she?
Bad analogy. You see, downloading files concerns issues in the nebulous legal world of... intellectual property.
Pirated movies, games, software and music are all an infringement of copyright. Copyright infringement is against the law.
The last thing you want to be accountable for on Judgement Day is copyright infringement.
What could possibly be the punishment for such a crime?
Oh, it's worse than Satan and the Anti-Christ and the flames of Hell put together.
It's a lawsuit.
True.....
Now, geting rid of all of those things are gonna be hard....The last thing you want to get judged for on the day of judgement is that boring game you copied, or that terrible movie you thought was really boring
You know what makes this worse? I downloaded Athan Pro 3.0 off of the internet, something that costs $29.95.
The last thing I want to happen to me is Allah punishing me because I stole from my fellow brothers...
"It will be said to the pious believers in Islamic Monotheism: 'Oh you, the one in complete rest and satisfaction! Come back to your Lord well rested and well pleased!
[QUOTE=Alpha Dude;450026]lol, nobody is denying that, he's explicitly talking about the illegal stuff...QUOTE]
I know what he means. I'm saying if you download something that was contained in a cd or whatever, your downloading a duplicate, you don't own that intellectual property once it downloaded and as long as you do not make a profit from it, then it's fine.
I think there should be an evidenced posted because people are stating their opinion, which is not very good. Some say its pirating, some its sharing, and etc. I think someone should post anything that relates to pirating from Hadiths or anything like that is islamically forbidden. Like do not steal... . I can't find that but anyone else can, please post it. Or any fatwaas.
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I think there should be an evidenced posted because people are stating their opinion, which is not very good. Some say its pirating, some its sharing, and etc. I think someone should post anything that relates to pirating from Hadiths or anything like that is islamically forbidden. Like do not steal... . I can't find that but anyone else can, please post it. Or any fatwaas.
i agree with you why not get some hadiths from kuran that say it's forbidden in Islam till then it should be closed cause many people are giving there own opinion and confusing other people.
What about when the producers says it forbidden to use without permission, but actually WANT you to use it without permission?
EXAMPLE:
Macromedia Flash costs about $200 to download and use legally. However, many people download the fully-loaded trial version and then 'crack' it to allow its usage. This is intended by Macromedia - why? Because the people who crack it are usually extremely skilled but amatuer users who do it for the fun of animation (i.e. sites like newgrounds.com). The common 'illegal' usage of Macromedia Flash makes its very popular. So in turn, companies (who earn profit) legally buy it and use it.
Convulated, yes, and morally ambiguous, even more so.
We are obliged in Islam to follow the law of the country we are in. Agreed.
Regardless of theoretical discussions onthe rights and wrongs of file-sharing, currently, it is illegal. You might want to read those terms of usage which you actually agree to check for licenses, pay the appropriate royalties etc.
What? You DIDN'T read them?!?!?!?!
Remember the point that the Prophet pbuh made at his very last khutba at Mt Arafat... Shaytaan has given up all hope of leading you astray with the big thing; so beware of following him in the small things...
So many hits and so few comments... I can feel your internal struggles from here... dunya or akhira... dunya or akhira... dunya or akhira...
Hello dishdash it appears that you have not posted on our forums in several weeks, why not take a few moments to engage in an argument with another member in any one of our forums?
I don't download anything illegal, most of the lectures i've downloaded are the lectures from ************ ,..
..this one time, i was ABOUT to download some lectures (which i thought were 'legit freebies',) but soulja/Shafraz (A mod on http://forums.muslimvillage.net/index.php?act=idx ) pointed out to me that they are not, so i ended up not downloading it.
So yeah, i am against downloading 'freebies'.
..although i did copy one of Shafraz's/Soulja CD's, the Native Deen CD...
...but that was a one off.. :doh: NEVER again.
I can't help it, i cant lie..
Dont Mistake My Harshness For Strength And Neither Mistake My Kindness For Weakness.
copyright
Question #52903: Copying tapes and CDs with the aim of distributing them
Question :
We copy religious tapes and give them away for free or sell them very cheaply in order to distribute them more widely, but the tapes are protected by copyright, and our aim is to spread knowledge and da’wah.
Similarly with CDs, it may be difficult and expensive to get hold of original copies. And the purpose of what we do is to spread knowledge.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Copyright or the rights of authors, inventors and producers, and other financial and moral rights, belong to the owners of these works and it is not permissible to transgress against them or undermine them without the permission of their owners. That includes tapes, CDs and books.
Reference may be made concerning that to what was written by Shaykh Bakr ibn ‘Abd-Allaah Abu Zayd (may Allaah preserve him) about copyright in his book Fiqh al-Nawaazil, 2/101-187.
The Standing Committee was asked: Is it permissible for me to record (a copy of) a tape and sell it without asking permission from its author, or from the publisher if the author is no longer alive? Is it permissible to make many copies of a book and sell them? Is it permissible to make a copy of a book and not sell it, rather keep it for myself, if it is marked copyright; do I have to ask for permission or not?
They replied: There is nothing wrong with making copies of useful tapes and selling them, or making copies of books and selling them, because that is helping to spread knowledge, unless their authors have stated that this is not allowed, in which case their permission must be sought.
End quote from Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/187
They replied: There is nothing wrong with making copies of useful tapes and selling them, or making copies of books and selling them, because that is helping to spread knowledge, unless their authors have stated that this is not allowed, in which case their permission must be sought.
Exactly, if something has a (C) <~~ (Best i can do..) logo next to it, it means that it has been copyrighted,.. which is a major NO NO, you cannot copy it.
Dont Mistake My Harshness For Strength And Neither Mistake My Kindness For Weakness.
Bad analogy. You see, downloading files concerns issues in the nebulous legal world of... intellectual property.
Pirated movies, games, software and music are all an infringement of copyright. Copyright infringement is against the law.
in principle, what's Illegal (islamically) is to claim someones work as your own, or perhaps to make money on someones effort without their permission...
one of the first cases of copyright to emerge was i think between Ibn Hajar and one of his students who use to attend his classes and collate his opinions, and then he wrote a book without referencing anythign to his teacher.. so Ibn Hajar took him to court, the qadhi (ibn B.. something i forgot) judged in favor of Ibn Hajar and the book was not to be released (i forgot the exact nitty gritty of the story, i read it manyyy years ago).
but sharing information as such, e.g. if Ibn Hajar's student was printing and distributing his fath-bari, that would be perfectly fine, as long as he's not making any "economic profit" on the sales, or attributing the intellectual property to himself....
but sharing information as such, e.g. if Ibn Hajar's student was printing and distributing his fath-bari, that would be perfectly fine, as long as he's not making any "economic profit" on the sales, or attributing the intellectual property to himself....
Yes - but that is not the sin - though of course if the action was also unIslamic, then yes, there would be sin in that too.
But the sin I am highlighting which many people overlook or worse, choose to overlook, is that of ignoring the Prophet's instructions to abide by the laws of the country you are in.
If you break their laws, there is sin in that.
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