Police are investigating an alleged attack on two ultra-Orthodox teenagers, including one who was already on crutches, which may have been motivated by antisemitism or anti-Israel sentiment.
The boys, aged 16 and dressed in traditional black-and-white Orthodox garb, were waiting for a tram in Melbourne’s Chapel Street on Tuesday night when a car pulled up and one of its passengers allegedly shouted, “You killed our cousins in Lebanon”, in what is believed to be a reference to Israel’s war against Hezbollah last July.
One of the boys, who already had a broken leg in plaster, was then attacked with one of his crutches. The other boy received minor facial injuries. Both boys were taken to The Alfred hospital, where they were treated and released a short time later.
A member of Police Victoria told the AJN that because the boys could not provide a registration number for the vehicle, identifying the suspects would be extremely difficult.
Gavin Queit, director of the Jewish Community Council of Victoria’s (JCCV’s) Community Security Group stressed the need for attack victims or witnesses to note car registrations. “It’s the key piece of information in an investigation,” he said.
A spokesperson from Stonnington City Council said that in late 2004, security cameras were installed in the area as part of a trial involving the State Government and Telstra, as well as private industry. However, the cameras have since been removed and not replaced, reportedly due to budget cuts.
Last October, another Orthodox man, Menachem Vorchheimer, was assaulted by a group of footballers as he walked to shul on Simchat Torah. As yet, no charges have been laid over the incident.
I think he might be suggesting that it is due to immigration, but I would like to remind him, that most of the Orthodox Jewish populations from Eastern Europe, the majority went to Australia, and the USA.
Many of these Orthodox Jews are second or third generation Aussies, and therefore, could be compared to the amount of time some of the Muslims have been there.
I wouldn't make sense that he was referring to the Jewish boys because they were the victims... rather it seems that he was referring to the Lebanese boys.
As if the only criminals in Australia are immigrants...
(By the way rav, no need to mention Muslims because those boys could have easily been Christians)
As if the only criminals in Australia are immigrants...
(By the way rav, no need to mention Muslims because those boys could have easily been Christians)
First off, yes I was thinkin he was refering to immigrants as criminals, but what I was trying to say is that the boys are second or third generation immigrants as well, who are Orthodox and refuse to assimilate into secular society.
Second, this is very true. The majority of Arab Lebanese in the USA today are Christian which is why the Christians are not a majority in Lebanon anymore, because many left.
Crime is disproportionately high among immigrants.
It would be more exact to say, Crime conviction is disproportianatly high among immigrants.
An immigrant is not likely to have any effective support group to help him evade capture.
An immigrant is more readily identified when attempting to escape
An immigrant most likely will not have the money to afford adequate defense if accused of a crime.
The rate of convictions does not necessarily indicate the predisposistion for commiting crimes
A truer indicator of any crime growth would be to find crime statistics in an area before and after a significant number of immigrants populate the area.
It would be more exact to say, Crime conviction is disproportianatly high among immigrants.
An immigrant is not likely to have any effective support group to help him evade capture.
An immigrant is more readily identified when attempting to escape
An immigrant most likely will not have the money to afford adequate defense if accused of a crime.
The rate of convictions does not necessarily indicate the predisposistion for commiting crimes
A truer indicator of any crime growth would be to find crime statistics in an area before and after a significant number of immigrants populate the area.
Perhaps in your country. In my community, where I live, my earlier post stands. 15 years ago, a certain ethnic community did not exist here. Today, this new community is established, and growing. Certain criminal activity, and problems did not exist before. Now these problems are huge in my community. And there is one common factor to a number of new problems.
We see who is creating these problems. We see them doing things that we would never have done.
The behavior is that of people in a third world country, only we are not in a third world country. I have heard people say, "well they can't help it, that is the way it is in their home country". Well I say, so why does that become our problem? We should let them destroy our community because they came from a messed up place?
It is like saying, "I am going to help those lepers by allowing them to infect me with leprosy." It makes no sense. If we are going to help them, help them in their own country, don't bring them to mine. We can help them without destroying our home.
I fault my government for this. But sadly, I don't think it will get better.
You can understand that my opinion when it comes to crime and immigrants is this; if an immigrant is convicted of a crime in my country, get him on the next plane home.
well in this time i would not say i am abhorred by the news.
Muslim are victimized and targeted indiscriminately just for being muslim.
They were attacked for what israel did to lebanon,these jewish children did not deserve the beating,,,but did the lebanese deserve the bombimng and cluster bomb by israel?
So i wuld say,anger is and will spill over,is it right..no..
Is it human,,yes..
So i would say,we shuld expect more news of jews to be targeted or killed just like muslim worldwide are targeted and killed indiscriminatley..
It doesn't matter if a reaction is 'human'. If people are going around beating up innocent Jewish teens, or Muslim teens, or anyone else, they should be punished as the law allows.
I don't totally disagree with Silent Observer.some of the young Muslims when they immigrate to a modern and liberal country like Aus or UK or US tend to do a lot of things.I have seen them.they get out of control.
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It doesn't matter if a reaction is 'human'. If people are going around beating up innocent Jewish teens, or Muslim teens, or anyone else, they should be punished as the law allows.
Salaam,
Yes ia gree that the law must the decisive factor,but when the law sides with one side due to race/religion then the law is not for all.
I just wish to point out that once in South Africa the LAW was that no blacks can enter a white premises...is it right?
No..
Is it lawful..yes..
But does that mean that the blacks in south africa need not fight for their right...casue then they would break the law?
It is the same,here we condemn the harm done to 2 civillians,but where is the condemnation and punishment due to the aggresors in palesitne or lebanon or any where else?
that is why if trully the world is ruled BY LAW,we would have no such human reaction..
They were attacked for what israel did to lebanon,these jewish children did not deserve the beating,,,but did the lebanese deserve the bombimng and cluster bomb by israel?
Right, so after a suicide bombing kids a bus full of kids should I go beat some Muslims?
Your logic makes no sense, and it reveals a disgusting thought process.
So i would say,we shuld expect more news of jews to be targeted or killed just like muslim worldwide are targeted and killed indiscriminatley..
I guess that shows Islams or at least this Muslims true thought process.
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