I agree. Suicide is intentionally taking a life that God created, not in self-defense or any other "justifiable" circumstances. How could it be anything other than murder?
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
I define murder as the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Therefore, I don't agree with the statement, but I do think suicide is a very serious sin, which will be spiritually punished in a very similar way to murder. If the statement were 'euthanasia is murder', I may agree with it.
If this question is designed to lead on to discussing suicide bombing, as I suspect it may be, in that situation suicide and murder occur simultaneously.
Many would say that to kill yourself is unlawfull. (according to G-d's law) since there are opinions that we are "slaves of G-d" as Muslims say quite often, then are we not killing his property?
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I agree, people think they own their own life in fact this is a gift from allah so to end it in suicide is murder.
salamualikum.
^ true. our soul will be left in pieces thats why it's not good to get a plaster surgery why? beacuse this is not our body but where just actually using it && looking after it.
M,a'assalama
I define murder as the unlawful killing of one human being by another.
you sounds as if you were a lawyer (no offense ) and from legal point, you are right - murder is prohibited and suicide not.
Even from "religious" pov I think there is a huge difference. Both are sins. Both are taking life, but hey! people don't kill themselves just like that! In most cases they went through depression, feel like there is no way out.
Someone who commits suicide sins, but maybe those who were around him committed bigger sins if they didn't/couldn't save him?
The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
So you are a supporter of the idea of others being responsible for the sins of another?
No. We all have our sins. But if someone close to you commit suicide, then there is a good chance that you are guilty of somethings you have done or haven't done. That's also a sin.
We are each others keepers, aren't we?
"Men have forgotten this truth," said the fox.
"But you must not forget it.
You become responsible, forever,
for what you have tamed."
"Little Prince"
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The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned.
Do you agree with the statement: "Suicide is murder"?
A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu 'alaykum,
there may be similarities, but they aren't the same. you MAY live long enough to repent of murder, but with suicide you won't be around for repentance...
nevertheless, i don't recommend either!
Had the non-believer known of all the Mercy which is in the Hands of Allah, he would not lose hope of entering Paradise, and had the believer known of all the punishment which is present with Allah, he would not consider himself safe from the Hell-Fire http://www.muftimenk.co.za/Downloads.html
Murder is a legal term. It means Culpable Homocide. Homocide means killing and culpable means unjust (according to societal rules).
So the real question then is whether suicide is unjust. I can't see how it could be, as the person doing the killing is the person being killed. And don't we have a right over our own bodies? If somebody wants to end their life, who are you to deny them this?
The only reason we do/should try to prevent suicides is because often suicidal people are not thinking straight, are under undue stress, or are suffering from mental problems. Help clear those up and then if they still want to end their life, they shouldn't be scoffed at or judged by you.
Mind your own business. Live and Let Die
*enter James Bond*
Last edited by Pygoscelis; 02-12-2007 at 03:49 AM.
I was speaking in more of a philosophical way about the topic. To me it is murder because one is intentionally and unneccessarily taking a life that God created. However, if I put my secular Republican hat on, it doesn't rise to the level of out and out murder of another human being. So in that sense perhaps it isn't as "evil" as committing true murder of another person.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Now that is an interesting thought! I've never considered something like that.
Though I think counseling would be more in order.
Unless he is a big fat guy...and wanted to jump from 13th storey ontop of group of people (or children). :rolleyes:
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
I guess that the starter of this threat want us muslim to condemn the murder of Isrealis..
We for me i dont,in the current injustice the Palestinian are fighting as they choose.
Suicide mean to end one life,,,it is that person choice,ultimately between him and Allah..the intent is important.
Murder mean to end an unwilling life,,,unlike euthanasia..the other person is willing to die,of course both will be judged.
But in Islam,Suicide is haram,you cannot harm yourself,thus suicide bomber do so knowing it is haram,but in the end it is between them and Allah.
As for the people murdered in the strike,again did they deserve it?
I would say no.
Nor would i say do Palestinian deserve the tratemnt they recieve under the Isreali regime.
No Justice
No peace.
As you kill you will be kill back
As you hate
You will be hated back..
The Isrealis want muslim to lie down and die willingly for them,
They land they grab is right,wihout considering the lives lost,or how long they lived there..
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) and from legal point, you are right - murder is prohibited and suicide not.
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