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    My good muslims, this queston might be offencive to some of you. So if you are easily offended please dont read this.

    We have the universe of billions and billions of galaxies. And in each galaxy we have billions of billions solar systems. One of these solar systems have a life form, that life form is called humans. They are the only reason the entire universe exist, the universe was created to host these people.

    And in their world they have an old book that explains it all. And tells them that the universe is only temporary after death they will go to a big garden i another world.

    This is pretty much islam what if youre wrong?
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sinbad View Post
    This is pretty much islam what if youre wrong?
    Nothing. We die as good-hearted, honest and honorable people (well that is the aim at least, though I do admit that many of us, myself included, have a long way to go).



    p.s; That is a very big if
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    Why have a whacking great universe just to house us?

    Thats totally nuts. There is surely a few billion other life supporting planets.
    What if you are all wrong?

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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Sinbad View Post
    My good muslims, this queston might be offencive to some of you. So if you are easily offended please dont read this.

    We have the universe of billions and billions of galaxies. And in each galaxy we have billions of billions solar systems. One of these solar systems have a life form, that life form is called humans. They are the only reason the entire universe exist, the universe was created to host these people.

    And in their world they have an old book that explains it all. And tells them that the universe is only temporary after death they will go to a big garden i another world.

    This is pretty much islam what if youre wrong?
    can't be wrong, this is the difference between belief and disbelief. then there is degrees or levels of faith. I am certain I'm not wrong. May Allah increase our Imaan and give us steadfastness. Ameen.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    Why have a whacking great universe just to house us?

    Thats totally nuts. There is surely a few billion other life supporting planets.
    I do not have the answer, but I know of one who does. [Hint: Gee Oh Dee]

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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    I second what bro aamirsaab said.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    Why have a whacking great universe just to house us?

    Thats totally nuts. There is surely a few billion other life supporting planets.
    So we can watch stars all day and predict the weather.

    And so we can send rockets into space and spend our time trying to figure out if some life exists beyond our Solar system.

    Note: You may take it from a humorous POV or a really serious one.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    Why have a whacking great universe just to house us?

    Thats totally nuts. There is surely a few billion other life supporting planets.
    There is life in other planets its been proven, but its nothins special bacteria from mars et c. Intelligent life i dont belive in. Maybe small mamal type of animals in another galaxy.

    But thats not important. Why of all reasons there might be makes islam right? No really all the planets out there, why should the second largest religion on planet earth, a little unsignificant planet on the outskirts of a small galaxy called the milky way have the answer?
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    i'm curious - why do you ask - are you right?
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by siFilam View Post
    can't be wrong, this is the difference between belief and disbelief. -
    Without getting into a long debate, I'd just point out that faith isnt knowlage. It's Faith.

    I have Faith in my car starting tommorow, But I might be wrong. It sounded a little ropey today. I'll find out in the morning.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    And among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth
    (30:22)

    The seemingly incomprehensible vastness of the cosmos is a testament to the Power of Allah Taala. We humans and our planet are just an insignificant speck in the grand scheme of things which Allah Taala has created and designed. People may ask why would Allah go through all the trouble to create so many galaxies, planets, and solar systems if we are the only ones who have life and intelligence. I always answer "What trouble?".

    But if you think about the Earth, it has been positioned in so precisely, that if it were a little closer to the sun we would all burn, and if it was a little farther we would all freeze. The design of Allah Taala is so precise so as to sustain life on this planet. All of these things are signs of His Power and His existence.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    There is life in other planets its been proven,
    I don't think you understood what was found?
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    Without getting into a long debate, I'd just point out that faith isnt knowlage. It's Faith.

    I have Faith in my car starting tommorow, But I might be wrong. It sounded a little ropey today. I'll find out in the morning.
    you can't have faith without knowledge. If I didn't know Allah, His Qualities, His Beautiful Names, His Attributes, His Messengers and His Books then I couldn't have believe therefore I would be faithless. Don't separate the two. car and God are two different subjects. that was a bad example.

    And Allah knows best.
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    Sure it's no trouble. But It's a bit pointless.

    If you wanted to paint your house theres no need to paint the whole city as well.

    We could bumble along on a 15000 mile circumfrance sphere heated by one star and be just as happy.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by siFilam View Post
    you can't have faith without knowledge. If I didn't know Allah, His Qualities, His Beautiful Names, His Attributes, His Messengers and His Books then I couldn't have believe therefore I would be faithless. Don't separate the two. car and God are two different subjects. that was a bad example.

    And Allah knows best.
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    Well as i say, I'm not going to go into depth, but you dont actually know Allah. Nobody does except Allah. You have a faith built upon your readings and have chosen to beleive.
    Faith is different from Beleif, But neither has anything to do with Knowlage.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    Sure it's no trouble. But It's a bit pointless.

    If you wanted to paint your house theres no need to paint the whole city as well.

    We could bumble along on a 15000 mile circumfrance sphere heated by one star and be just as happy.
    Maybe for you it is pointless, but you are not the All-Knowing God. Allah says in the creation of the heavens and earth are a sign for the people. The vastness of outer space is definitely a sign. This is something which requires deep reflection and wisdom. You can think about all those blades of grass and shrubs in the bushes, or all those grains of sand and rocks in the desert and question what is their purpose? Maybe they have one and maybe they dont, but of a surety, all of the creation of Allah is a sign of His Power.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Talha777 View Post


    but of a surety, all of the creation of Allah is a sign of His Power.

    Oh I beleive in a creating entity(s). Just that faith isnt knowlage.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by siFilam View Post
    you can't have faith without knowledge. If I didn't know Allah, His Qualities, His Beautiful Names, His Attributes, His Messengers and His Books then I couldn't have believe therefore I would be faithless. Don't separate the two. car and God are two different subjects. that was a bad example.

    And Allah knows best.
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    Where there's no knowledge, there's Allah.

    or

    where there's less knowledge, there's more Allah Allah.
    What if you are all wrong?

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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    format_quote Originally Posted by barney View Post
    Sure it's no trouble. But It's a bit pointless.

    If you wanted to paint your house there's no need to paint the whole city as well.

    We could bumble along on a 15000 mile circumfrance sphere heated by one star and be just as happy.
    But here you are missing the point.

    You do not paint the whole city as if you did it would take you days if not months or even longer and then you would even have to buy all the paint as this is to show you have no power.

    But rather for Allah he has no trouble in doing whatever he wishes so creating such a vast universe for us is just showing us the power he has.
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    Re: What if you are all wrong?

    The faith of Muslims is not blind. Our beliefs are not merely beliefs they are facts.

    Say thou: "This is my way: I do invite unto Allah, on evidence clear as the seeing with one's eyes, I and whoever follows me. Glory to Allah. and never will I join gods with Allah." (12:108)

    The evidence for our faith is as clear as believing in something with one's own two eyes.

    Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"
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