Jinn

[Curaezipirid]

Salam,

I know that many other threads have said a variety of stuff about Jinn. Also that what I have told is not exactly popular or welcome in many persons minds.

However, I have a real question here for anybody with any concern as to Jinn existing.

First I should tell that I have found a whole myriad of conflicting descriptions of the correct regard we all ought to take for Jinn, all from within various Islamic sources.

But is that not surprising given the nature of Jinn?

What worries me very much is that it is known that there are bad and good Jinn, but often only the bad are focussed upon. Focussing upon Jinn gives them strength, so surely if any attention is paid to Jinn, it must be that attention of remembering that a company of Jinn become Muslim.

I read that the Arabic: "Jinn" or "Djinn", is meaning only a life unseen.

Does it mean always unseen, or that the life causal to Jinn manifestations is unseen?

Is the law that Jinn are not allowed to expose who their are, and if meeting in the flesh, can not tell their nature? This is a parameter tested.

This is my question: Can it be considered that, since Djinn are whom do the accounting for all use of electricity, and whom are the only beings held accountible by Allah for use of electricity, that every person whom is actualising use of a computer, is being influenced to by either a good or an evil Jinn?

This does not mean that you are not responsible for your fingers moving on the keyboard, but it does mean that only Djinn will ever be held accountible by Allah for the images in mind which any and every electricity use causes. Thereby, if any of us have any Dreams in which there is a computer interface, we are under the influence of Djinn.

If the Djinn is trying to convince you that you are causing their images to form in your mind, then they are a bad Jinn. But if the Jinn is owning that which is forming in your mind by their use of electricity, then they are a good Jinn. But careful because the bad Jinn, when young, are also under the influence of the older evil Jinn.

One more thing. We need to take care not to confuse a Shayteen, with the fact of Satan, whom in Islam is named Iblis, and proven to have redeemed his nature, by the inevitable fall of Adam, after Iblis would not bow down to Adam with all the other Angels, and thereafter evidence of Adam's redemption is also evidence of Iblis redemption. Iblis strengthen's Adam by proving to himself what his weakness was. However the Shayteen are those individuals whom wanted only to fall. That weakness Iblis proved in Adam, was that Adam would let the Shayteen portray themselves as the same as He, when in fact their nature is quite different. Shayteen are Humanoid often, but they are not able to accept the teaching of Ka'ba. They tend to seperate themselves from evidence, and so are the cause of any kaffir. Thereby when Iblis, as Shaytan, had tempted Adam, He also was finding (as described in the old testament in Job), out what is different about the Shayteen, that they are not able to believe as Adam can, and why did Adam fall down to their ways. When Djinn can prove to Adam how he can avoid falling as though he also is a Shayteen, then everyone is redeemed. But to enable that, the real function of the Shayteen needs to be proven also, and it is that their selves are believers in the Moon and their belief stabilises the development of an atmosphere for Moon, as another planet in its own right. Once that is proven, then Humanity can evolve with the Earth, more independently of the Shayteen.

Djinn are whose task it is to divide all races into understanding who is who, who is Human, who is Shayteen, who takes responsiblity for Earth and who for Moon. This fundamental difference between us has no observable distinctive appearance, but except that a Shayteen always is in the opposite posture to their speech. Some cultures adapted so that most persons manifest that way, but the real Shayteen are only whom can not ever in any situation, cause that their posture and speech are communicating the same meaning.

Thanks for reading and Salam

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

This is my question: Can it be considered that, since Djinn are whom do the accounting for all use of electricity, and whom are the only beings held accountible by Allah for use of electricity, that every person whom is actualising use of a computer, is being influenced to by either a good or an evil Jinn?

No, not really. I don't think jinn influence us as much as you make it sound. There's the whisperings of the shaytan, maybe you're talking more about that? I don't understand what you mean bout the control of electricity, I've no clue where you got that from...

The jinn themselves are created to worship Allah, and there are many who do worship Allah just as we do. We don't really have much information about jinn as we don't see them and aren't allowed to communicate with them except through like an exorcist or something..

fi aman allah
w'salaam

[Taqiyah]

salaamz..

Wow this is totally knew to me...I had no idea Jinn and Electricity had any kind of relationship whatsoever! where is this said? in the Quran or in a Hadith?? could you please let me know.
I wonder if the director/writer of the movie "PULSE" got his idea of ghosts communicating with humans through electronic devices from actual Islamic teaching or does the bible say that too?

[جوري]

yesterday after reading your post.. I did some "research"... and put the word "jinn" in google images and this came up...

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freaked me out a little considering I read it right before retiring for the evening..
guess it is just a topic I never gave much thought to... why do jinns fascinate you so much sister?

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

Wow this is totally knew to me...I had no idea Jinn and Electricity had any kind of relationship whatsoever! where is this said? in the Quran or in a Hadith?? could you please let me know.

Well, they don't. Maybe the sis can shed some light on this topic inshallah.

freaked me out a little considering I read it right before retiring for the evening..
guess it is just a topic I never gave much thought to... why do jinns fascinate you so much sister?

The pic is funny. I read a lot about jinn but I don't think they really affect our iman to the point where we would have to study every crack and crevice about them, unless of course there are a lot of jinn possesions going around lol. Just make du'a to protect yourself from them and tawakalli 'ala allah. It does help a lot though if one is scared of them to study about them.

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

[akhan]

Have you read the book......"The World of Jinns & Devils" by Dr. Umar Sulaiman al-Ashqar/Jamaal Zarabozo..........it might give you some insights

[Curaezipirid]

Thankyou for that literature reference, I will be looking it up.

The connection between Jinn and electricity is based in the general knowledge of why sihr and electricity are both of the same cause

Remembering that the Muslim Jinn can and do actualise using the measure of sihr, once known, against the ills of its own manifestations

. . . surely it stands to reason that if any person will be redeemed that the Jinn will need to accept forgiving, or exorcising that person of any accidental mistake in any use of electricity

[Curaezipirid]

yesterday after reading your post.. I did some "research"... and put the word "jinn" in google images and this came up... lol
freaked me out a little considering I read it right before retiring for the evening..
guess it is just a topic I never gave much thought to... why do jinns fascinate you so much sister?

That image was hilarious

But perhaps that is just it, that I find myself in the predicament of being more certain in my own accountiblity in Allah, by finding Djinn a fun idea

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

The connection between Jinn and electricity is based in the general knowledge of why sihr and electricity are both of the same cause

Mind giving examples? and sihr as in black magic, or sihr in general?

. . . surely it stands to reason that if any person will be redeemed that the Jinn will need to accept forgiving, or exorcising that person of any accidental mistake in any use of electricity

Exorcising is done by reciting Quran usually. I haven't heard of any incidents where electricity is used...

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

[FatimaAsSideqah]

That picture of Jinn..I have be to honest that is mocked of Allah Ta'ala's creation..I know that might be fake picture..be careful what you do..Allah Ta'ala always watchful!

Allah the Exalted says:
If you ask them (about this), they declare: "We were only talking idly and joking." Say: "Was it at Allâh (swt), and His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger (SAW) that you were mocking?"

Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you because they were Mujrimûn (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals, etc.). [9:65,66]

When you make fun of any commandment of Allah, you are making fun of the One giving the commandment.

Making fun of Muslims is evil and bad (ayah perhaps they’re better than you). It is haram to crack jokes at other Muslims. To make fun of Islamic things is kufr. It is not a characteristic of the Muslims to do this.

I just being honest for sake of Allah Ta'ala

[FatimaAsSideqah]

And also don't forget that the Jinns is Ghain (Unseen)..

[*charisma*]

Assalamu Alaikum

lol I didn't look at the pic as a portrayal of jinn in any way what so ever. I saw it as something from a sci-fi movie or something. Jazak Allahu khair for the reminder none the less. May Allah forgive us when we are unintentially in the wrong ameen. Barak allahu feeki.

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

[جوري]

Indeed.. let me remove it... since I put it up... I have never seen a jinn before.. and that is not an invitation for any jinn to make themselves visible to me... I am happy being far away from them and they far from me like a rare community of Salvinia natans some where near the black sea!

I personally believe spending too much time dwelling on unknown things isn't productive .. best to focus on the affairs that concern us, than those that might back fire.
Putting the pic up.. wasn't meant to mock a creation.. ironically it only served to have given me an uneasy night, as that image popped repeatedly into my head as I drifted off.. and it wasn't a pleasant one!

6 ) (وأنه كان رجال من الإنس يعوذون) يستعيذون (برجال من الجن) حين ينزلون في سفرهم بمخوف فيقول كل رجل أعوذ بسيد هذا المكان من شر سفهائه (فزادوهم) بعوذهم بهم (رهقا) طغيانا72.6 ا

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Simply the best lecture on Jinns and Magic:

http://www.islamicboard.com/684122-post1.html

The brother has been an exorcist for around 8 years and he's faced Black Magicians as well. Excellent lecture, may Allaah protect him. I advice everyone to listen to it, it'll only take about an hour and 20 minutes of your time.

[Malaikah]

Simply the best lecture on Jinns and Magic:

http://www.islamicboard.com/684122-post1.html

On the scale of one to ten, how scary is it?

[Trumble]

The brother has been an exorcist for around 8 years and he's faced Black Magicians as well.

Am I right in assuming that belief in possession and exorcism is mainstream in Islam, then? I assume it's the same situation that Christians would describe as 'demonic possession' with 'demon' being another word for jinn, but very few Christians seem to take that seriously - rather less seriously than I do, actually.

[Malaikah]

Yes, it is mainstream.

[Muslim Knight]

Am I right in assuming that belief in possession and exorcism is mainstream in Islam, then? I assume it's the same situation that Christians would describe as 'demonic possession' with 'demon' being another word for jinn, but very few Christians seem to take that seriously - rather less seriously than I do, actually.

There's even a whole chapter in the Quran about Jinn, namely Suraah Jinn. It narrates about a group of Jinn who happen to pass by the Prophet and heard the Message he was reciting, and realized the truth of it and so decided to embrace Islam and learn from the Messenger of God.

Jinns are separate creation but meant to co-exist in the same world as Men. They're people unto themselves, but we're not meant to communicate with them, neither they to us. In Surah Jinn, Muslims are told that Jinns are just part of Allah's creation and while they are supernatural (as opposed to Man's naturalness) they are no more powerful than God and that they possess limited knowledge about their own future, much less about Men's. However, some Jinns can be evil as some Men choose to become evil (they're very much like people), and so choose pervert the thoughts of Men by pretending to know about the future and the Unseen World.

Other evil Jinns are like evil men who bully and injure others, except that their (the evil jinns) method is from inside out (possession) as compared to a hostage-taker or a person who threatens his/her victims to say and do things against their will.

The emphasis here is that some Men choose to go to soothsayers and horoscope in order to find out about tomorrow, while these charlatans base their findings from sources which are actually Jinns and shaitan in disguise, the only losers here are those Men. In conclusion, this is one of the reasons going over to soothsayers and reading horoscope are both unlawful in Islam.

[Curaezipirid]

Assalamu Alaikum


Mind giving examples? and sihr as in black magic, or sihr in general?


Exorcising is done by reciting Quran usually. I haven't heard of any incidents where electricity is used...

fi aman Allah
w'salaam

It is sihr in general which is connected to any existance of electricity. The whole phenomenon of electricity is the exact same phenomenon as sihr. That being the case, the fact of excessive uses of electricity in the modern world, explain which so much of modern cities and the monetary economy has been wrongly shaped by the wrongful use of sihr in 'black magic'. That is the use of sihr by those Jinn known to have caused the fall out of the garden of eden. There are four examples of that wrong way sihr, and to know that each our own use of electricity is being cleansed of, and so is in Islam, the Jinn manifest the four horsemen of the apocaplyse in association with the full effect of the exorcising of wrong sihr, that is often called in English, black magic.

Then the question about electricity use being an exorcising phenomenon, is not at all relevant to what I was attempting to express: but what I had been trying to reveal is that any and every use of any electricity, if it is not fully true to Prayer in Allah, is actually potentially able to accidentally further the cause of the wrong sihr, and so can be detrimental. Therefore Jinn exorcise from every Muslim who is using the internet for an Islamic cause, every portion of such use which might have any negative force. That way those negatives are measured, and can be prevented from undue harm coming by.

It is a difficult concept to grasp only because we are all already so accustomed to electricity use. But I have an Aunty by marriage, whose Grandmother is alive, and only uses electricity to boil a kettle. She still collects water from the well in her garden each day, and prefers candles for light, chops her own firewood, and has no television. Her life is happier than many in her age group and younger. Certainly her Islam is truer than others, even though she has no Muslim education, her Prayer need be strong to be so enabled. Her daugher worked with horses most of her life, and her granddaughter, my Aunty, is a home economics teacher and show judge of embroidery, who taught me to quilt.

It is through all our work with our hands, making for our own selves what we need, rather than relying upon an economy dependant upon electricity, by which we lessen the impact upon our own lives of any wrongful sihr. However the point is, that occassionally use of electricity is beneficial, especially if the Muslim Jinn can cause that the sihr in the electricity is that sihr which disproves the wrong sihr.

Exorcism is only enabled by that function, so whether use of electricity has caused what the illness is which needs exorcism, or not, electricity being put to the practise of assuming it can always exorcise the wrong sihr, is necessary.

The work of Jinn is not knowable to Humanity, but knowing that Jinn exist whom will accept the function of exorcising what is not in the will of Allah, is essential, only to continue to exist as a Human.


Salam

[Curaezipirid]

can you help
i like to contact jinn world

Are you asking for help to prevent you wanting to contact the Jinn world, or help to sustain that contact?

But if you want to sustain such contact then why, for there is no further benefit once first an exorcism is made. The real effects of any true exorcism will last for many years normally, but might cause an initial period of excessive sadness, until a new mental process of a higher degree of health becomes sustainable.

If any person assumed to need continual exorcism, it must only be because their own behaviour had not accepted the teaching of what will sustain their health, so beware first of why you so want.

Is is curiosity for curiosity's sake, or for obligation felt? I hope it will work out whatever its basis could be.

Salam