"wipe of the map" - Wrong translation???

[j4763]

Came across this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=4527

Is it a wrong translation? Some Farsi-speakers could help.

[Muezzin]

There seems to be something wrong with the link tags. Hmm. Try posting the full link, and I or another moderator will sort out the tags.

Edit: thanks.

[j4763]

should be fixed now

[mahdisoldier19]

It was a wrong translation, i speak farsi, very wrong translation, he meant the current goverment, not the entire people. He said the current government which is oppressing the Palestinians should be taken out.

[Chechnya]

It was a wrong translation, i speak farsi, very wrong translation, he meant the current goverment, not the entire people. He said the current government which is oppressing the Palestinians should be taken out.

mmm thats interesting

what do the non-muslims say to that?

[wilberhum]

It was a wrong translation, i speak farsi, very wrong translation, he meant the current goverment, not the entire people. He said the current government which is oppressing the Palestinians should be taken out.

When I heard "wipe of the map", I thought he wanted to destroy Israel. When I see your translation I think he wants to destroy Israel.

Wow, that makes a lot of difference.
(As he beats his head against the wall)

[MTAFFI]

So all Ahmadinjehad wants is a change in leadership? Or does he want the middle east to be as it was "70 years ago", this still implicates he does not want the people of Israel to be where they are, and it still seems as though he is calling for Israel to be removed. I think Iran intentionally does these things so they can put a certain message out and then deny it was said and blame it on false interpretation and dance around themselves to try to look a certain way. The article even shows where it was the Iranian news which official first used these words, and since all news in Iran is basically controlled by Ahmadinejad and his regime, what does this say?

[Cognescenti]

It was a wrong translation, i speak farsi, very wrong translation, he meant the current goverment, not the entire people. He said the current government which is oppressing the Palestinians should be taken out.

Let's look at how the Middle East Media Research Institute translated it:

"[T]his regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history"

Oh..that makes me feel a lot better. Look...the English expression ("wipe off the map") doesn't really mean that the present topography of the State of Israel be literally scraped clean with an army of bulldozers. It means that it would cease to exist. Amadinajad seems not merely content with eliminating the "regime" in Israel....he seems to want to remove all historical references. If that doesn't mean "cease to exist" I dont know what does. What "regime" do you imagine he is talking about? Does he want Netanyahu back? Maybe he wants Sharon to come out of his coma? After all...it is a Labour government now, right?

Also note he doesnt even call "Jerusalem", Jerusalem. Add the fact that he hosted a Holocost deniers conference and sensible people are going to start to wonder what the chap is up to.


This "wrong translation" campaign is damage control. How much after the utterance are we? Several months? Amadenijad needs one of those guys with a broom and a dustpan that you see at the end of an equestrian parade to deal with the accidental road apples he drops on the international stage.

[Trumble]

It was a wrong translation, i speak farsi, very wrong translation, he meant the current goverment, not the entire people. He said the current government which is oppressing the Palestinians should be taken out.

Even allowing for the correct translation, 'regime' in this context clearly means the State of Israel itself, not just the current administration.

[Pk_#2]

ffended: wrong vocab?

[noodles]

Alright let just assume that he was talking about taking out the current government that is in control in Israel. Would people still have a problem with that?

(I hope no one bashes me for this) I mean US went into Iraq to take out it's dictator and his regime. What's so wrong about Iran going into Israel to take out its government? For all I see is that the government in Isreal is making no effort to stop the bloodshed within the country.

(Once again, Don't you dare bash me. All I have stated is an comparison. So if you have something evil to say, I hope you don't post it here)

[wilberhum]

I mean US went into Iraq to take out it's dictator and his regime

So you conclude that what the US did was right?
(after hitting head against the wall)

[Philosopher]

Even allowing for the correct translation, 'regime' in this context clearly means the State of Israel itself, not just the current administration.

What is wrong with desire for regime change? The US does it all the time and wages war to meet these desires.

[wilberhum]

What is wrong with desire for regime change? The US does it all the time and wages war to meet these desires.

So you also think what the US has done is right.
Interesting.
(beates head against wall)

[Philosopher]

So you conclude that what the US did was right?
(after hitting head against the wall)

If starting a war based on lies that led to the death of 100,000 people is "good" to you, then you must consult a doctor.

[wilberhum]

If starting a war based on lies that led to the death of 100,000 people is "good" to you, then you must consult a doctor.

your implication.

What is wrong with desire for regime change?

Looks like you are the one that needs a doc.

[Joe98]

At the time the Iranians never denied what was said.

The "misinterpretation" came much later.

In other words he meant what he said at the start.

[Cognescenti]

Alright let just assume that he was talking about taking out the current government that is in control in Israel. Would people still have a problem with that?

(I hope no one bashes me for this) I mean US went into Iraq to take out it's dictator and his regime. What's so wrong about Iran going into Israel to take out its government? For all I see is that the government in Isreal is making no effort to stop the bloodshed within the country.

(Once again, Don't you dare bash me. All I have stated is an comparison. So if you have something evil to say, I hope you don't post it here)

There can be little doubt that many in the ME would prefer that the State of Israel cease to exist. I suspect many in Iran are among them.

What gives me pause is the coupling of that publicly expressed wish with a drive to build a nuke. Iranian nukes on missiles with imperfect guidance systems could only be used for city killing. Do you believe for a second that if the IDF were utterly anihilated in battle, the surrounding 100's of millions of Arabs would simply shake hands and greet the surviving radioactive Jews?

As for Israel...they gave up the Gaza settlements...a lot of bloody good it did them. Whatever your feelings about Israel you can't possibly argue it is a dictatorship. It is the only true, functioning democracy in the ME (not perfect, of course)

[Chechnya]

At the time the Iranians never denied what was said.

The "misinterpretation" came much later.

In other words he meant what he said at the start.

most muslims want israel to be wiped off the map - so his comments wouldnt have come as a surprise to his target audience

[Cognescenti]

most muslims want israel to be wiped off the map - so his comments wouldnt have come as a surprise to his target audience

Exactly!

The only problem is the rest of the world is listening. And now, someone is trying to repair the PR damage.