Salam,
Now I am not agreeing with the author of this article in much that he says, ***however*** I do feel that we need to change the attitudes of our Ummah from the inside->out, particularly in respect to this kind of thing. Its shameful and disgraceful and a total lack of respect for human rights and for islam what some 'muslim' brothers are doing!
**I removed the article as there is truth mixed with fiction in it. Basically it comments on muslim men raping women and instances and attitudes reported in various countries.
BROTHERS! THIS KIND OF THING CANNOT CONTINUE!!
I am so embarrassed and appalled by these actions, and I do not want to get into an east/west debate! The point here is: Some Muslims are doing horrendous things in this world and the rest of us Muslims should be standing together in denouncing them!!
Mods - any east/west debate of womens rights etc is off topic for this thread so please delete as appropriate! A woman is a woman regardless of her faith and should not be raped whether she is walking around with a veil or a miniskirt!!!
This is horrifying and disgusting! Nowhere in Islam does it say that unveiled women are asking for rape, but that they are at more risk of being raped - which in no way justifies the act!
who recently sparked an international stir by pronouncing that women who do not veil themselves, and allow themselves to be “uncovered meat”, are at fault if they are raped.
Its true though, walking on the streets late at night, half naked.if they dressed properly you'll see less rapes. its common sense. So i don't know why the all getting angry over what the shaykh said, they know its true.
And when they catch the rapists, what do they give them, 2-3 yrs then they come out and do it again. they should kill dem, and dont say oh thats cruel we living in 21st century. cuz if happened to your daughter or wife you'd want them killed too.
Umm...sister, you do realise that this is posted on a somewhat anti-Islamic site? Go to the main page and you will see a prominent link to Jihad-Watch.
The article itself is biased against Islam, it makes Islamic law to be unfair when that is not the case at all. Sure, people abuse it, but that doesn't mean it's Islam's fault.
As moderator I least expected you to start going off topic.
Whether the article or website or author is anti-islamic or not is irrelevant.
I said I dont agree with much the author wrote.
However no matter what kind of website its posted on or what kind of ignorant conclusion the writer makes about Islam based on these crimes, the fact remains,
Muslims are committing these horrendous acts.
It has to stop.
Its true though, walking on the streets late at night, half naked.if they dressed properly you'll see less rapes. its common sense. So i don't know why the all getting angry over what the shaykh said, they know its true.
the part that I am angry over what the shaykh said is 'its their fault'.
It is purely the RAPER's fault that the woman got raped.
By walking around half-dressed she attracts attention of the wrong kind, as very few men can stop themselves from not looking. So why is it one man thinks a sleazy thing about her , another man RAPES her.
This is horrifying and disgusting! Nowhere in Islam does it say that unveiled women are asking for rape, but that they are at more risk of being raped - which in no way justifies the act!
Whether the article or website or author is anti-islamic or not is irrelevant.
I said I dont agree with much the author wrote.
However no matter what kind of website its posted on or what kind of ignorant conclusion the writer makes about Islam based on these crimes, the fact remains,
Muslims are committing these horrendous acts.
It has to stop.
^I agree
Sadly the fact remains that some people genuinely believe that women showing flesh are asking to be raped. No woman asks to be raped whatever she is wearing.
Its true though, walking on the streets late at night, half naked.if they dressed properly you'll see less rapes. its common sense. So i don't know why the all getting angry over what the shaykh said, they know its true.
So it's a woman's fault? That means men can go and rape women who aren't dressed right? It won't be his fault but hers? What an absurd way of thinking.
So it's a woman's fault? That means men can go and rape women who aren't dressed right? It won't be his fault but hers? What an absurd way of thinking.
NO.Its both of there fault, the women should dress modestly, and if she doesn't the man should control himself. and lower his gaze.
I'm just saying that there'll be less rapes if women dressed more modestly.
It's a stupid article. And so are some of the remarks in here. I've seen that picture in several place so the web and now it ends up over here, on a anti-islam websites. Who can prove to me the validity of the statements made in there? I can take a picture of any women abused by domestic violence and put the same text on there. As for the shiekh guy, he's words are being taken way out of context by the aussie media and now these islamphobic kuffars on that site. If you want to know more about what the sheikh realy meant then ask the Muslims of his community. Here's a forum of australia, they'll be more than happy to clear the lies you like reading about your Muslim brothers from a kuffar site. http://www.idca.org.au/forum
Oh and Muslim is still a Muslim even if he commits rape, sinning does not put one side out of Islam. It just makes him a sinner, so lets stop the ignorant statements like "so called Muslim" shall we.
NO.Its both of there fault, the women should dress modestly, and if she doesn't the man should control himself. and lower his gaze.
I'm just saying that there'll be less rapes if women dressed more modestly.
Really?!?!!
So very few women get raped in Pakistan or India or Saudi?
Don't be ridiculous!
Guys that rape dont do so on the spur of the moment because they are sparked by the sight of her! They go out and wait for a woman intentionally!
Its not her fault at all she got raped.
She can only be accused of dressing immodestly and attracting attention...not rape!
The point I am making is nothing to do with whether the woman has the whole niqab or a bikini on, Muslim men must stop raping women, and we must call out together against it as a collective Ummah
I think everyone here agrees that if a women was walking naked it does not mean she is asking for rape. What people are saying is that if she is walking naked then she should know that this world is not a perfect place thus people will take advantage.
I think my kids should be free to go to the park, play in the pools, but I also know that if there is a child molestor I would not let them, why? Not because they are asking to be molested if they go out alone, but because in the sick minds of some people that is a green light and gives them opportunity.
I think most people here agree with the above.
So let us work on how to stop it.
format_quote Originally Posted by Medina83
The point I am making is nothing to do with whether the woman has the whole niqab or a bikini on, Muslim men must stop raping women, and we must call out together against it as a collective Ummah
You know, some of us don't. I mean, it would be interesting to see the profile and percentage of these criminals. Don't you think, then we can come to know the reasons behind it. I have a feeling it is more cultural than islamic.
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After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
The point I am making is nothing to do with whether the woman has the whole niqab or a bikini on, Muslim men must stop raping women, and we must call out together against it as a collective Ummah
There's rapes in the world all the time. There's one every 2 minutes in the US alone. So you got issues with being women being raped, why are you here crying about it as if Muslim men are responsible for all of it? You are concerned about Muslim men raping but ok with non-Muslim men raping? that is what you are indicating from your posts. And just becuase someone is muslim doesn't mean they wer raised islamic. How many muslim (men and women) follow Islam today and how many you see at bars and fornicating and what not?
As for the news link of saudi women, what happend to her was sad but its' her fault in this as well like the judge said. What business did she have getting in a car with a non-mahram, there's even another news article that states she was meeting her bf or something. Normaly it's not the victim's fault but sometimes it is, don't set yourself up with your stupidity and you won't have to worry about it. Don't put you hand in boiling water and cry laterwards.
Do you have some personal issues on this topic that you started this thread?
You know, some of us don't. I mean, it would be interesting to see the profile and percentage of these criminals. Don't you think, then we can come to know the reasons behind it. I have a feeling it is more cultural than islamic.
This is exactly my point.
Muslims should know better, we know the law and the truth from Allah subhana wa ta'ala.
Its equally unacceptable from non-Muslim men , I just expect more from Muslims.
Yes, we are a family, one body, so we should be concerned about each other.
I think the main problem sister is the lack of knowledge and obedience.
It is simple for anyone to justify anything.
A bad person can use his sorroundings to justify his acts, I think the statements which are misquoted from people who preach are thus taken on by people who had the intentio in the first place to rape.
So we should look beyond this, what is it that rape provides? Satisfaction, Enpowerment? If those are the outcomes then we should look at why these people feel they need that type of satisfaction that type of empowerment, look at how they view women, look at their past, have they loved someone and been played around by them which in turn made them feel helpless thus they look for empowerment.
Last edited by Umar001; 05-23-2007 at 02:44 PM.
The path is long but I hope we meet,
After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
There's rapes in the world all the time. There's one every 2 minutes in the US alone. So you got issues with being women being raped, why are you here crying about it as if Muslim men are responsible for all of it? You are concerned about Muslim men raping but ok with non-Muslim men raping? ?
Here comes the east/west debate I knew would happen.
Its unacceptable from any man , but especially from a Muslim man.
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
. How many muslim (men and women) follow Islam today and how many you see at bars and fornicating and what not? ?
You validated my point with your own comments. The point is if you are practising Islam you wouldnt be doing this, so these Muslim men should quit raping and start fearing Allah subhana wa ta'ala !!
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
. As for the news link of saudi women, what happend to her was sad but its' her fault in this as well like the judge said. What business did she have getting in a car with a non-mahram, there's even another news article that states she was meeting her bf or something. Normaly it's not the victim's fault but sometimes it is, don't set yourself up with your stupidity and you won't have to worry about it.
Again, point is muslims are raping women who are covered and who are not covered!!!!! Get this into your head or do you just want it to be the way you are describing so that men have free rein to rape uncovered women ?
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
. Don't put you hand in boiling water and cry laterwards. ?
Don't you realise that it will be the unrepentant rapists who might end up in boiling fire and who will ultimately be the ones to cry. Allah subhana wa ta'ala is Just.
Rape is rape. A rapist should be punished for his crimes, no matter what. Nobody can contest that. Even if the rapist uses something like "she wasn't covered" as his defence, that doesn't make the magnitude of his crime any less.
Your main point is to stop and bring to justice muslim people who rape and attempt to justify it by saying that what the women did made it lawful for them. I understand that, but I honestly think you could have done that better without linking that anti-Islamic article.
You're right, as Habeshi said, we are one body and we should be concerned about each other. We need to denounce rapists who use Islam to back-up their actions. It's just their intentional, malicious abuse of Islam for their own perverted reasons. Women should not be raped, nevermind their faith and whether they are dressed modestly or not. That is what you are trying to say.
Elhamdulillah, and barakaAllahu fiqh to you and Habeshi that is exactly what im saying.
I get so frustrated to see so little done within our worldwide community to stop these. I want to do something about this, but dont know where to start.
The link was not a good idea I admit, but the fact remains that we are leaving ourselves open as targets for hatred and ridicule by not taking a hardline with hard actions on our muslim brothers who rape. And we are letting the wrong view of Islam be propogated. Thats kinda why I put the link in.
When all these bigoted Kuffar make stupid hateful claims about Islam, people look at us to see what our response is? I dont ever see a response , a protest march in a Western country such as UK against Islamic goverments who are unjustly changing Shariah law and victimizing the girls who are raped.
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this made me sick
seriously...
or do you just want it to be the way you are describing so that men have free rein to rape uncovered women ?
and who will ultimately be the ones to cry. Allah subhana wa ta'ala is Just.
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