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What do you mean with 'extremism'?
Re: Is being nationalistic also being extremist?
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
Good question.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/extremism
and by nationalistic, I mean willing to die for one's country. (being patriotic)ex·trem·ism /ɪkˈstrimɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ik-stree-miz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in political matters: leftist extremism; the extremism of the Nazis.
ex·trem·ist (ĭk-strē'mĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. One who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.
[forgive me I'm not much fluent in English and therefore am trying to find the proper words to express my understanding]
There's nothing wrong with wanted to die for your country. I would expect the majority of British people to die for their country in Britain's time of need. I wouldn't expect people to join the army to fight a stupid little war to give people "a better life" in a country I couldn't give a toss about.format_quote Originally Posted by noodles
But if their country was being invaded then by force I would expect many would die for their country just as they were preparing to do had the Germans landed on British soil. Britons are fighters, warriors. There's that Viking, Anglo-Saxon blood in us.
Re: Is being nationalistic also being extremist?
Nationalism has caused just about every major war in recorded history.
Religion causes wars. As I said I expect anyone in this country die for their country in its time of need. The United Kingdom is a fortress.format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
Nationalism has caused just about every major war in recorded history.
Nationalism is a religion as well. You worship your land, you live or die for it just as the faith bound people do. You will do anything for your religion (coutry). Religion is safer as it only wants to increase number of members, where as nationalism wants to increase its amount of land.
Um... nope you're wrong. I'm a nationalist and I don't want anymore land. This land I'm living on is the only piece of land I am particularly interested in. If anyone tries to take over our land then we should protect it, this is OUR home, our people and our country.format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
The answer to nationalism:
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). 49:13
To some extent each and every person will be nationalistic. no matter where you live if a common enemy where to invade and threaten to destroy your home, kill your family and impression every body. You would probably take up arms against them and be willing to die to keep the invaders out. That would be nationalistic, but I doubt if it would be extreme.
On the other hand a person can live in a country, hate the country for whatever reason he chooses and decide to wage his own personal war against his own country. That would not be nationalistic, but it would be extremism.
So depending on the situation and the conditions either answer would be correct.
format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah
Also this
The Prophet said: 'There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for a fair-skinned person over a person with dark skin, nor for a dark-skinned person over a person with fair skin. Whoever is more pious and God-fearing is more deserving of honour.' (Musnad Ahmad)
There are no extreme nationalists. Extremists have hijacked the true meaning of nationalism. I wish the media would stop portraying extremists as nationalists.
Nationalism is really an outgrowth of tribalism which is an outgrowth of filial attachments which are dictated by our biology. It is in our brains. It is intrinsic for us to divide ourselves as "us" vs "them". Lions and Chimps and Gorillas do it too, they are simply not as adept at forming larger organizations. It takes conscious effort on our part to resist this pull.
Of course, people divide themselves by other measures, as well (ethnicity, language, physical alikeness, religion, political belief). It is unusual for for national identity to trump ethnicity in a stable fashion , for eg., when an ethnic group is cohesive geographically.
you have the right to your land, and to protect your home, your people and yoru country, and so do iraqis, afghans, palestiniasn who are fighting the occupation of their land. You are happy with your land but your leaders aren't, they colonized the world once and now they are going back again and democracy means nothing if people can't even stop them.format_quote Originally Posted by England
What does that have to do with nationalism? the reason one would attack the invadors is to protect the weak and offended, not because teh invaders have a different nationality. Because if it were people of teh same nationality doing this I think the chance of me picking up arms against an offender is equally great. To me nationality would have nothing to do with it.format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow
The problem is. 'Nationalism' is an ideology, 'extremism' is merely a position within an ideology. That makes the question a bit nonsensical.format_quote Originally Posted by noodles
If you are a nationalist extremist, you are indeed being extremist because you take a black or white approach to the nation. Extreme nationalists are very exclusive, they are aggressive towards other nations and make it harder (if not impossible) for other people to join their nation. More moderate nationalists are more open to others outside of the nation.
Nationalism is just one of the many ideologies that cultivate the 'us' vs 'them' mindset. Not unlike many religions, like Judaism and Islam.format_quote Originally Posted by Fishman
Nationalism has caused just about every major war in recorded history.
I've said this about 10 times on this forum already, but I think it is worth repeatingformat_quote Originally Posted by Abdul Fattah. Islam is not against nationalism, it is only against nationalism based on anything but Islam. What else is this whole concept of the 'Ummah' ruled as an 'Islamic state' for the 'Muslim people'? Give me one characteristic of nationalism that is not also present in Islam.
Assalamu Alaikum
as far as I know, nationalism isn't even allowed...
Nationalism does nothing but cause more separation. Nationalism is pride of one's country and pride belongs only to Allah subhana wa ta'ala, so there's no need for us to have nationalism especially when our ummah is in its worst state because of disunity.
"Leave it. It is Rotten" [Bukhari & Muslim] refers to all forms of Asabiyah, nationalism, racism, and patriotism.
Grouping the Muslims on tribalistic lines is clearly forbidden. It is narrated by Abu Daud that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyah or who dies for `Asabiyah."
" ...People should give up their pride in nations because this is a coal from the coals of hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than a lowly worm which pushes itself through khur (feces)." [Abu Dawd and Tirmidhi].
You can do a google search on it. Here's some more evidence though:
http://www.islamic-world.net/islamic-state/evidence.htm
fi aman Allah
wa'alaikum asalaam
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
...soccer hooligans
...partisanship among judges in Olympic gymnastics scoring
...haggling over fishing rights :X
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