Iran, Malaysia, Arab states betray Chechnya to Russia

[Chechnya]

Typical betrayal from Arabs and the rest - Muslim world needs a revolution

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On June 26, an impressive delegation of foreign diplomats visited Chechnya. There were representatives of 31 countries in the delegation, including 20 foreign ambassadors to Russia. What was notable about this visit was that they were representatives of Muslim countries and organizations, such as the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and the Arab League. The visit was organized by the Russian Foreign Ministry to demonstrate to the Muslim diplomats that life in Chechnya is improving. The Regnum news agency reported that prior to the visit, “Ambassadors of the Muslim world said that they were very interested in what was going on in Chechnya, and that they were looking forward to meeting Chechen leaders and people.” The official program of the visit included tours of newly reconstructed facilities in the Chechen cities of Grozny, Argun, and Gudermes, and meetings with Chechen political and spiritual leaders and intellectuals.

However, the key part of the visit was the meeting of the ambassadors with Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov. RIA Novosti reported that Kadyrov told the ambassadors at the meeting, “International terrorism has lost the war in Chechnya.” He stressed in his speech that the war in Chechnya was the war against international terrorism and not against any nation or religion. “Powerful forces hostile toward Russia have tried to use Chechnya to make Russia collapse, but they failed,” Kadyrov declared.

The Russian authorities are apparently sending the message to the Muslim world that the war in Chechnya was not a war against Islam and Muslims, and that it is now over. Ramzan Kadyrov told the ambassadors that it was very important for the Chechen authorities to have the diplomats see for themselves during their visit that the region is recovering from the war.

Ramzan Kadyrov showed his guests the construction site of a new mosque that will be the largest mosque in the former Soviet Union, with a capacity to hold 10,000 visitors at a time.

Another idea that the Russian authorities wanted to instill in the ambassadors’ minds is that the republic is an inherent part of Russia and that the issue of separating from Russia is no longer on the agenda. “Now, Chechnya is developing in the same legal and economic space with Russia, and this has allowed us to restore the destroyed infrastructure,” Kadyrov told the Muslim diplomats. He then asked the visitors for money. “We are interested in the economic experience of Islamic states and hope that the visit of the ambassadors will give an additional impetus to attracting foreign investment into the republic,” Kadyrov said.

The Muslim diplomats did not argue with Ramzan Kadyrov during the visit and said what the Russian officials wanted to hear from them.

“I am deeply touched by what I have seen here. You cannot find construction on such a scale even in other Arab states,” said Al-Fardzhani, the head of the Russian mission of the Arab League.

Mohhamed Khalis, Malaysia’s ambassador to Russia, said that the “OIC does not see Chechnya outside of Russia.” Malaysia currently chairs the OIC.

Gholamreza Ansari, the ambassador to Russia from Iran, a country that especially wants to please the Kremlin because of its need for Russian nuclear technologies, declared, “Iran has been supporting Russian efforts to improve the situation in the republic from the very beginning of the Chechen conflict.” He added that the Iranian government believes that it is in the interests of the Chechen nation to remain a part of Russia.

Nevertheless, it is too early to say just how successful the trip of the ambassadors to Chechnya was for the Kremlin. The Russian authorities want Muslim countries to back their words with concrete actions like investments and other material help to the pro-Russian Chechen government. Moscow believes this would legitimize Russian rule over Chechnya in the eyes of the Muslim world.

The Chechen issue has always been the most difficult one in Russia’s relations with many Muslim and Arabic countries. The anti-******* rhetoric of the Russian political leaders, especially Ramzan Kadyrov and his murdered father, remains a problem for the Russian government in its efforts to set up stable friendly ties with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf countries, where *******sm is the predominant branch of Islam.

Even if all Muslim governments closed their eyes to the repression of practicing Muslims and the continuing human rights violations in the North Caucasus, it would hardly halt the other type of investments that have been flowing into Chechnya since the beginning of the war – contributions to the Chechen rebels that come from ordinary Muslims and organizations. Despite the official position of the Muslim governments, many Muslims and organizations regard the Chechens as oppressed Muslims and Chechnya as a land occupied by Russian “infidels.” Such Muslims will continue to listen to their religious leaders – like Yusuf Kardavi and Sheik Ibn, who declare that jihad is taking place in Chechnya and should be supported by all Muslims – rather than to politicians or officials.

[vpb]

'why do u guys jump up when you hear something bad about your country? all the government nowadays are bad, and all these Muslims countries are ignoring Chechnya.

Prophet saws said to stand for justice even if it against your most beloved people. So don't try to justify the ignorance of Malaysias about Chechnya , and it's not just Malaysia but all other countries.
It's a fact that should be accepted.

[MuhammadRizan]

Oh my..this ambassador is so stupid...this humiliating me..
but North Malaysian also have a point there...i only know what is happening in checnya when my computer have internet connection..

[MuhammadRizan]

Oh my..this ambassador is so stupid...this humiliating me..
but North Malaysian also have a point there...i only know what is happening in checnya when my computer have internet connection..

[Muhammad]

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[Woodrow]

My apologies. My intent was to merge some of the Chechnya threads. But I somehow lost the first post of this. It was my error that caused the poster to post this in the wrong section.

Thread moved and reopened.

[wilberhum]

My apologies. My intent was to merge some of the Chechnya threads. But I somehow lost the first post of this. It was my error that caused the poster to post this in the wrong section.

Thread moved and reopened.

That would be mine.
My post was guite simple

Source?

Maybe a question you should ask?

[Chechnya]

Source:

http://www.jamestown.org/chechnya_we...icleid=2373512

'why do u guys jump up when you hear something bad about your country? all the government nowadays are bad, and all these Muslims countries are ignoring Chechnya.

Prophet saws said to stand for justice even if it against your most beloved people. So don't try to justify the ignorance of Malaysias about Chechnya , and it's not just Malaysia but all other countries.
It's a fact that should be accepted.

true - i reckon ts pathetic for muslims to try to justify this stance in supporting russias genocidal war in the north caucaus - some musims need to wake up

but North Malaysian also have a point there...i only know what is happening in checnya when my computer have internet connection

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you may not know the full story - but your goverment does

[wilberhum]

Source:

http://www.jamestown.org/chechnya_we...icleid=2373512



true - i reckon ts pathetic for muslims to try to justify this stance in supporting russias genocidal war in the north caucaus - some musims need to wake up
..

you may not know the full story - but your goverment does

In the past, I have found your sources to be completely bias.

I’m also a bit reluctant to join forces with some one who has praise for child killing terrorists.

[Chechnya]

In the past, I have found your sources to be completely bias.

its the first ive heard of it - should have raised your doubts in the appropriate threads

jamestown foundation is quite a well known org. - not sure why you think its biased

I’m also a bit reluctant to join forces with some one who has praise for child killing terrorists.

i have praise for a guy who saved an entire nation from slow genocide in the war - in fact even your very own american military had high praise for his military qualities and leadership - they compared him to william wallace lol

[vpb]

I’m also a bit reluctant to join forces with some one who has praise for child killing terrorists.

we don't any need your help at all , and the post is not directed to you at all.
all you can do is just put some comments if you want.

true - i reckon ts pathetic for muslims to try to justify this stance in supporting russias genocidal war in the north caucaus - some musims need to wake up

well , we have probably heard in our life once that there is a war in Chechnya, couldn't we just get more interested? or maybe we forget bc it doesn't look very important to us.

[wilberhum]

its the first ive heard of it - should have raised your doubts in the appropriate threads

I did.

jamestown foundation is quite a well known org. - not sure why you think its biased

Never said they were.

i have praise for a guy who saved an entire nation from slow genocide in the war - in fact even your very own american military had high praise for his military qualities and leadership - they compared him to william wallace lol

Thanks, you have proven my point. By the way many have high praise for OBL’s military qualities. Do you praise him too?

[north_malaysian]

'why do u guys jump up when you hear something bad about your country? all the government nowadays are bad, and all these Muslims countries are ignoring Chechnya.

Prophet saws said to stand for justice even if it against your most beloved people. So don't try to justify the ignorance of Malaysias about Chechnya , and it's not just Malaysia but all other countries.
It's a fact that should be accepted.

First of all I'm not defending Malaysian government... Please!!! I dont like this government... I want them not to win in the next election (even there is like 1% chance that they wont win the election ... Thanks to Election Committee )

I just want to tell that why the Chechen students dont appear to Malaysian public, go to mosques and tell what ACTUALLY HAPPENED in Chechnya.
In the university, they dont even mix with other nationalities.

Bosnians, Kosovars and Palestinians are different than Chechens.... they mixed up with all nationalities, went to Malaysian public showing what happened to them, went to mosques and schools telling about those killings happened.... and no wonder lot of donations and supports given to them by Malaysians.

The Chechens should be pro-active, tell the world wherever they are that they are being oppressed etc.

[north_malaysian]

you may not know the full story - but your goverment does

My government just know to show off and try to gain as many $$$$$$ as possible...

[Zman]

On June 26, an impressive delegation of foreign diplomats visited Chechnya. There were representatives of 31 countries in the delegation, including 20 foreign ambassadors to Russia. What was notable about this visit was that they were representatives of Muslim countries and organizations, such as the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and the Arab League. The visit was organized by the Russian Foreign Ministry to demonstrate to the Muslim diplomats that life in Chechnya is improving. The Regnum news agency reported that prior to the visit, “Ambassadors of the Muslim world said that they were very interested in what was going on in Chechnya, and that they were looking forward to meeting Chechen leaders and people.” The official program of the visit included tours of newly reconstructed facilities in the Chechen cities of Grozny, Argun, and Gudermes, and meetings with Chechen political and spiritual leaders and intellectuals.

Shame on them. They were used as pawns in a cheap & obvious propaganda
stunt.

Are there any Arab or Islamic governments aiding the Chechens? Even covertly? Or do they fear Russia that much?

[Chechnya]

Thanks, you have proven my point. By the way many have high praise for OBL’s military qualities. Do you praise him too?

If Bin Laden saved a nation from genocide , admitted any criminal actions he may have undertook, offeres to hand himself over to the yanks for his actions and offered to go on trial for them - then yes i would praise him for the good he has done and for repenting the bad.

Bosnians, Kosovars and Palestinians are different than Chechens.... they mixed up with all nationalities, went to Malaysian public showing what happened to them, went to mosques and schools telling about those killings happened.... and no wonder lot of donations and supports given to them by Malaysians.

everyones different - some people have horrific things happen to them and prefer never to talk about them , leaving them in the past

we shouldnt need people to come and talk to us for us to wake up - with todays media its easy to find out what is going on - you just have to look for it

Are there any Arab or Islamic governments aiding the Chechens? Even covertly? Or do they fear Russia that much?

i think arabs, malaysians, iran feel they need russia to counter america - a stupid notion considering russia kills more muslims, destroys more mosques, is way more islamophobic than the yanks ever will be

[wilberhum]

If Bin Laden saved a nation from genocide , admitted any criminal actions he may have undertook, offeres to hand himself over to the yanks for his actions and offered to go on trial for them - then yes i would praise him for the good he has done and for repenting the bad.

And you wonder why I don't support you.

[Zman]

/Peace To All

By the way many have high praise for OBL’s military qualities.

What military qualities? He's neither an artful tactician nor a strategist.

He's no where close to any Chechen commander...

[wilberhum]

/[i]Peace To All



What military qualities? He's neither an artful tactician nor a strategist.

He's no where close to any Chechen commander...

I guess that you arn't one of the many. That suprisses me.

[north_malaysian]

i think arabs, malaysians, iran feel they need russia to counter america

I'm thinking the same, especially when Putin himself attended OIC Conference in Malaysia in 2004. And America, they just appointed someone to be observer in OIC this year.... Bush is 3 years late than Putin in order to gain support from Muslim nations...

Russia also very active in sending participants to International Koranic recitation events, sending delegates to Islamic conferences etc.

And a great majority of Muslims watch tv or listen to radio, rather than surfing the internet... and there is nothing about the Chechen in the news (locallu or internationally).... so Muslims start thinking that Russia is more Muslim-friendly than USA. Many Muslims seeing that both Russia and China are the only countries that can go against the supercop USA.