Evidence suggests terror suspects hatched their plot in Britain, experts say

[atha]

And here we go again. More propoganda! Seriously, Britain and America need to chill. I mean do they really expect us to believe them after lying to us about the Iraq war that cost hundreds thousands of lives of innocent people, just for oil. Nah! I will just pass.

I am sure Allah will punish the wrongdoers in the end, inshaAllah.

May Allah protect us all, Amin
assalam-u-alaikum


Evidence suggests terror suspects hatched their plot in Britain, experts say

Tue Jul 3, 8:03 PM

By David Rising

LONDON (AP) - They had diverse backgrounds, coming from countries around the globe, but all shared youth and worked in medicine. They also had a common goal, authorities say: to bring terrorism to Britain.

The eight suspects held Tuesday in the failed car bombing plot include one doctor from Iraq and two from India. There is a doctor from Lebanon and a Jordanian doctor and his medical assistant wife. Another doctor and a medical student are thought to be from the Middle East.

All employees of Britain's National Health Service, some worked together as colleagues at hospitals in England and Scotland, and experts and officials say the evidence points to the plot being hatched after they met each other in the U.K., rather than overseas.

"To think that these guys were a sleeper cell and somehow were able to plan this operation from the different places they were, and then orchestrate being hired by the NHS so they could get to the U.K., then get jobs in the same area - I think that's a planning impossibility," said Bob Ayres, a former U.S. intelligence officer now at London's international affairs think tank, Chatham House.

"A much more likely scenario is they were here together, they discovered that they shared some common ideology, and then they decided to act on this while here in the U.K.," he said.

No one has been charged in the plot in which two car bombs failed to explode in central London early Friday and in which two men rammed a Jeep Cherokee loaded with gas cylinders into the entrance of Glasgow International Airport and set it on fire Saturday.

Investigators believe the same men who parked the explosives-laden cars in London may have also driven the blazing SUV in Glasgow, the British security official said.

Investigators believe the main plotters have been rounded up, including one in custody in Australia, though others involved on the periphery, including at least one British-born suspect, were still being hunted, a British government security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the details.

The official said some of the detained suspects had turned up in searches of Britain's domestic spy agency MI-5's databases, indicating their identities previously had been logged by agents.

"Some, but not all, have turned up in a check of the databases, but they are not linked to any previous incident," the official said.

The official said Britain's security services are currently watching around 1,600 people and have details logged of hundreds more.

British-born Muslims behind the bloody 2005 London transit bombings and others in thwarted plots here have been linked to terror training camps in Pakistan, and the official said Pakistan, India and several other countries were asked to check possible links with the suspects in the latest attacks.

The education level of the alleged participants in the car bomb attempts is in sharp contrast to the July 7 attacks two years ago.

The ringleader, Mohammed Siddique Khan, had a degree in business studies, but with low marks. Bombers Tanweer Hussain studied sports science at college but never completed his degree, Hasib Hussain got a community college education, and Jamaican-born Germaine Lindsay quit school in 2002 to work as a salesman.

In the current case, Muhammad Haneef, a 27-year-old doctor from India arrested late Monday in Brisbane, Australia, worked in 2005 at Halton Hospital near Liverpool in northern England, hospital spokesman Mark Shone said.

Another Indian doctor, 26, arrested late Saturday in Liverpool, worked at the same hospital, Shone confirmed, but refused to divulge his name.

Another suspect, Mohammed Jamil Asha, a 26-year-old doctor from Jordan of Palestinian heritage, was arrested Saturday with his wife, Marwa Asha, 27, who was identified in British media reports as a medical assistant. He worked at North Staffordshire Hospital, near the Midlands town of Newcastle-under-Lyme.

A doctor at Royal Alexandra Hospital in Glasgow, who refused to give his name, said he recognized Asha as a doctor who also kept an office there, the same hospital where suspect Bilal Talal Abdul Samad Abdulla worked.

According to friends of Abdulla's family in Iraq, the 27-year-old doctor came to Britain 18 months ago after graduating from medical school in Baghdad. He was a passenger in the Jeep Cherokee that rammed into the Glasgow airport terminal.

The Jeep's driver, identified by staff at Royal Alexandra Hospital as a Lebanese doctor named Khalid Ahmed, was in critical condition at that hospital from severe burns he suffered in the attack. Police would not confirm his identity.

The final two suspects, ages 25 and 28, were arrested by police Sunday in residences at Royal Alexandra Hospital. Staff said one was a medical student and the other a junior doctor, without giving names. British media said they were from Saudi Arabia, but police refused to comment.

Dr. Shiv Panbe, former chairman of the British International Doctors Association, said the two Indian nationals in custody were Muslims.

"It is very upsetting news," Panbe said of their alleged involvement. "It is an abuse of trust and respect - everyone should be able to love their doctor."

Azmi Mahafzah, a teacher at the University of Jordan's medical school, said he knew the suspect Asha during his studies and training there in 1998-2004. He said he did not think Asha was religious. "He is not a fanatic type of person," Mahafzah said.

Asha's family also denied he was a militant or had links to terrorism, as did the family of Asha's wife, Marwa.

"Marwa is a very educated person and she read many British novels to know England better, a country she liked so much," her father, Yunis Da'na, told The Associated Press in Jordan.

British authorities have refused to release many details on the suspects, but have indicated they believe the plot may have links to al-Qaida.

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said Tuesday that none of the eight suspects was on any American lists that identify potential terror suspects.

One news report suggested the group could have been recruited by the head of "al-Qaida in Iraq," but the British security official said that was "unlikely." He said the investigation was not focusing on Iraqi links, other than the fact that one suspect was from Iraq.

Patrick Mercer, a legislator in the opposition Conservative party who is a former British army intelligence officer, said he doubted the plotters came to Britain already planning the attack.

"I think these people came into the country, possibly already radicalized or certainly sympathetic ... and the process of radicalization has been completed while they're here. My inclination is to say that these are intelligent and highly motivated people, so the probability of self-radicalization is higher," he told AP.

Ayres, the American security expert, said he doubted the group had "direct contact" with an outside group like al-Qaida, saying they would not have needed any serious training for the plot that was carried out. "The attack vector that they used wasn't very sophisticated," he said.

But Mercer said from what he had heard from his sources, the plotters did attempt a complex assault. He said the first car bomb outside the Tiger Tiger club was intended to draw people out from other pubs and nightspots, when the second bomb was to be exploded.

"It's not the most sophisticated attack on earth, but I would suggest it's not something by a bunch of medical students - there's military thinking behind this - so there will have been, I'm pretty sure, a guiding hand," Mercer said.

That is exactly what investigators are still trying to piece together, the security official said.

"When did they first meet? Did they meet in Britain or overseas? Were they sent here? Is there an actual al-Qaida link? They are questions we're looking for answers to," the official said.

Source: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/b...rism&printer=1

[beespreeteam]

Sergeant Simms states: "Now, as I was alluding to, or as I was going to show you, before ... police who have been looking through your diary have found some handwritten notes in the back of your diary. And one of these handwritten notes is details for Kafeel Ahmed. Telephone numbers and looks like an address. A couple of addresses. Now, that writing there, is that your writing?"

When Dr Haneef again denies it is his writing, Sergeant Simms leaves the room. He returns and says: "Thought that might have been the case. In fact, it's not. This is what's been written by police. So it's not your handwriting at all."

What?! Since when do police start writing on evidence...

[Joe98]

And here we go again. More propaganda!

Which part do you feel is the propaganda?

The theory that the plot was hatched inside Britain or the theory that the plat was hatched outside Britain?

[wilberhum]

lying to us about the Iraq war

What are the lies?

[Cognescenti]

"And here we go again. More propoganda! Seriously, Britain and America need to chill."

Yo have got to be having sport with us? Propaganda? What do you think the Glasgow thing was...a backyard barbecue enthusiast gone mad?

Unless you believe the second guy in the car was an extremely unfortuante hitchiker, that is at the least, a plot of two. That is a conspiracy.

The article mentions two possibilities. Either they met in the UK and shared ideology or they were assembled abroad and "infiltrated". The author cites experts with opposing viewpoints. What is the propaganda part? The alleged plotters are called "alleged". Exculpatory quotations are provided in their defence. It seems fairly written to me.

[beespreeteam]

What are the lies?

You're kidding right?

[wilberhum]

You're kidding right?

Wrong.
Sadam said he had WMD we believed him. So who lied?

[NobleMuslimUK]

zionist think tanks at it again, their evil just grows, its a global thing.

[Bittersteel]

I think only one of the detained persons(The Indian doctor in Aussieland) is innocent.Quite possibly.Can't imagine what might prompt a couple to take part in such acts though(not saying they are innocent).

[beespreeteam]

Wrong.
Sadam said he had WMD we believed him. So who lied?

Err it was US and British 'intelligence'.

That's interesting though. I haven't heard about that - links or something?

[wilberhum]

Err it was US and British 'intelligence'.

That's interesting though. I haven't heard about that - links or something?

Don't keep links to 6 year old information. Try "Search".

Better yet, find some one that he didn't think he had them.

Why not ask some Kurds?