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    From my experience in interaction with both Muslims(mostly Bangladeshi ignorant ones) and Non-Muslims(Indians,Israelis,westerners,etc) ,I have found out that the Taliban type of a government is regarded by most a perfect example of Islamic governance.so I am starting this thread in order to understand how perfect were they.

    Taliban ideology and its application

    The Taliban's extremely strict and anti-modern ideology has been described as an "innovative form of sharia combining Pashtun tribal codes", or Pashtunwali, with radical Deobandi interpretations of Islam favored by members of the Pakistani fundamentalist Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) organization and its splinter groups. Also contributing to the admixture was the *******sm of their Saudi financial benefactors, and the jihadism and pan-Islamism of sometime comrade-in-arms Osama bin Laden. Their ideology was a departure from the Islamism of the anti-Soviet mujahideen rulers they replaced who tended to be mystical Sufis, traditionalists, or radical Islamicists inspired by the Ikhwan.

    Sharia law was interpreted to ban a wide variety of activities hitherto lawful in Afghanistan: employment and education for women, movies, television, videos, music, dancing, hanging pictures in homes, clapping during sports events. Also new were the "religious police" for enforcing these bans, a concept thought to be borrowed from the *******s. In newly conquered towns hundreds of religious police beat offenders -- typically men who shaved and women who were not wearing their burqa properly -- with long sticks. Critics complained that most Afghans were non-Pashtuns who followed a different, less strict and less intrusive interpretation of Islam.

    Taliban relationship with ethnicity was mixed. Following Deobandi and Islamist anti-nationalist belief, they opposed "tribal and feudal structures," and eliminated from "leadership roles" traditional tribal or feudal leaders. On the other hand, since they were very reluctant to share power and their ranks were overwhelmingly Pashtuns, their rule meant ethnic Pashtuns controlled multi-ethnic Afghanistan, where Pashtuns made up only 42% of the population . At the national level, "all senior Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara bureaucrats" were replaced "with Pashtuns, whether qualified or not. As a result of this loss of expertise, the ministries by and large ceased to function." In local units of government like city councils of Kabul or Herat, Taliban loyalists, not locals, dominated, even when the Pashto-speaking Taliban could not communicate with the local Dari Persian language-speaking Afghans. (Roughly half of the population of Afghanistan spoke Dari or other non-Pashtun tongues). Critics complained this "lack of local representation in urban administration made the Taliban appear as an occupying force."

    Like ******* and other Deobandis, the Taliban strongly opposed the Shia branch of Islam. The Taliban declared the Hazara ethnic group, which totaled almost 10% of Afghanistan's population, "not Muslims."

    Along with being very strict, the Taliban were adverse to debate on doctrine with other Muslims. "The Taliban did not allow even Muslim reporters to question [their] edicts or to discuss interpretations of the Qur'an."

    As they established their power the Taliban created a new form of Islamic radicalism that spread beyond the borders of Afghanistan, mostly to Pakistan. By 1998-9 Taliban-style groups in the Pashtun belt, and to an extent in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, "were banning TV and videos .... and forcing people, particularly women to adapt to the Taliban dress code and way of life."

    Governance

    The Taliban did not hold elections, as their spokesman explained:

    The Sharia does not allow politics or political parties. That is why we give no salaries to officials or soldiers, just food, clothes, shoes and weapons. We want to live a life like the Prophet lived 1400 years ago and jihad is our right. We want to recreate the time of the Prophet and we are only carrying out what the Afghan people have wanted for the past 14 years.

    Instead of an election, their leader's legitimacy came from "Bay'ah" or oath of allegiance in imitation of the Prophet and early Muslims. On 4 April 1996, Mullah Omar had the "the Cloak of the Prophet Mohammed", taken from its shrine "for the first time in 60 years." Wrapping himself in the relic, he appeared on the roof of a building in the centre of Kandahar while hundreds of Pashtun mullahs below shouted `Amir al-Mu'minin`! (Commander of the Faithful), in a defacto pledge of support.

    Also in keeping with the governance of early Muslims was a lack of state institutions or "a methodology for command and control," standard today internationally even among non-Westernized states. The Taliban didn't issue "press releases, policy statements or hold regular press conferences," and of course the outside world and most Afghans didn't even know what they looked like since photography was banned. [31] Their regular army resembled "a lashkar or traditional tribal militia force" with only 25,000 to 30,000 men, these being added to as the need arose. Cabinet ministers and deputies were mullahs with a "madrassa education." Several of them, such as the Minister of Health and Governor of the State bank, were primarily military commanders who left their administrative posts to fight when needed. If and when military reverses trapped them behind lines or led to their death, this created "even greater chaos" in the national administration.[32] In the Ministry of Finance there was no budget or "qualified economist or banker." Cash to finance Taliban war effort was collected and dispersed by Mullah Omar without book-keeping.

    Consistency

    The Taliban ideology was not static. Before its capture of Kabul it talked not of ruling, but of restoring law and order and stepping aside once a government of `good Muslims` took power. Its decision making process in Kandahar resembled the Pashtun tribal jirga or council, and/or what the Taliban believed was the early Islamic model. Discussion was followed by a building of a consensus by the believers.

    As its power grew decisions were made by Mullah Omar without the old consultation

    Decisions are based on the advice of the Amir-ul Momineen. For us consultation is not necessary. We believe that this is in line with the Sharia. We abide by the Amir's view even if he alone takes this view. There will not be a head of state. Instead there will be an Amir al-Mu'minin. Mullah Omar will be the highest authority and the government will not be able to implement any decision to which he does not agree. General elections are incompatible with Sharia and therefore we reject them.

    and without Omar's visiting other parts of the country. He visited the Capital Kabul only twice while in power.

    In 1999, Omar issued a decree stating the Buddha statues at Bamyan would be protected because Afghanistan had no Buddhists, implying idolatry would not be a problem. But in March 2001 this decision was reversed with a decree stating "all the statues around Afghanistan must be destroyed." [35]

    Criticism of ideology

    The Taliban were criticised not only for their strictness but also for innovation (Bid‘ah). Some Muslims complained many Taliban prohibitions such as the ban on clapping during sports events, kite flying, beard trimming, or sports for women, had no validity in the Qur'an or sharia; that the Taliban called their 20% tax on truckloads of opium "zakat," when zakat is limited to 2.5% of the zakat-payers' disposable income.

    The bestowing of the title of Amir al-Mu'minin on Muhammad Omar was criticized on the grounds that he lacked scholarly learning, tribal pedigree, or connections to the Prophet's family. Sanction for the title required the support of all of the country's ulema, whereas only some 1200 Pashtun Taliban-supporting Mullahs had declared Omar the Amir. [36] "No Afghan had adopted the title since 1834, when King Dost Mohammed Khan assumed the title before he declared jihad against the Sikh kingdom in Peshwar. But Dost Mohammed was fighting foreigners, while Omar had declared jihad against" other Afghans.

    Explanation of ideology

    Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) was important to the Taliban because the "vast majority" of its rank and file and most of the leadership, (though not Mullah Omar), were Koranic students who had studied at madrassas set up for Afghan refugees, usually by the JUI. The leader of JUI, Maulana Fazl ur-Rahman, was a political ally of Benazir Bhutto. After Bhutto became prime minister, Rehman "had access to the government, the army and the ISI" whom he influenced to help the Taliban. [38]

    Journalist Ahmed Rashid suggests that the devastation and hardship of the war against the Soviet Union and the civil war that followed, was another factor influencing the ideology of the Taliban. The young rank and file Taliban were Koranic students in Afghan refugee camps whose teachers were often "barely literate," let alone scholars learned in the finer points of Islamic law and history. The refugee students brought up in a totally male society, not only had no education in maths, science, history or geography, they had no traditional skills of farming, herding or handicraft-making, nor even knowledge of their tribal and clan lineages.

    In such an environment peace meant unemployment, domination of women was an affirmation of manhood. Rigid fundamentalism was a matter of political survival, not just principle, Taliban leaders "repeatedly told" Rashid "that if they gave women greater freedom or a chance to go to school, they would lose the support of their rank and file."
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    discuss.I want to know how Islamic were they.They seem more extreme than the Saudis.

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    Re: The Taliban Discussion Thread

    LOL! People remember what you type, this is a very active islamic forum Im sure the CIA/brittish intelligence are watching

    The Taleban are more conservative than the saudis. The Saudis are rich and they arent very religous, they often visit the sinfull dubai.

    The Talebans are poor and uneducated, poverty is the fertile soile for extremism.

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    Iam English so i probabley wont be respected or listened to but i have been reading up on the Taliban and iam sad that they are not still in power they ruled Afghanistan well after the bloody war with the Soviets if women wore nail vanish there hands would be chopped off and if anyone stole anything there hands would be chopped off i just hope one day the Taliban come back to power again in Afghnaistan because they ran the country well before.

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    why would wearing nail varnish lead to chopping off fingers?
    stealing is one thing,the hudood ruling applies for both men and women.

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    Re: The Taliban Discussion Thread

    format_quote Originally Posted by Aziz View Post
    why would wearing nail varnish lead to chopping off fingers?
    stealing is one thing,the hudood ruling applies for both men and women.
    that is exactly what i was thinking, sounds the usual anti-taliban propoganda, throw enough mud and some of it will stick.

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    ps... already started a simular thread a few months ago, when get time will link it back to this one so we dont end up all repeating ourselves or maybe the mods can merge threads or something.

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    lol i cant help but see them as heroes. and when the west bashes them it only increases my longing to see what their like lol kinda funny
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    Re: The Taliban Discussion Thread

    format_quote Originally Posted by Aziz View Post
    why would wearing nail varnish lead to chopping off fingers?stealing is one thing,the hudood ruling applies for both men and women.
    It is called intollorance.

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    Re: The Taliban Discussion Thread





    Bro Aziz, is wikipedia even a reliable source? Subhaan Allaah it's amazing, doesn't Allaah say (translation of the meaning):


    O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. [Qur'an 49: 6]

    I really feel like deleting the quote which is in your post, and if the article's going to have such biased views right from the beginning - then is it even worthy of a discussion at all?



    We don't know their activities, nor do we have any solid authentic evidences for what the people on wikipedia claim. So what kind of discussion would this be anyway? If we can't get any reliable info about them?


    If this thread leads to someone insulting our brothers (yes they are muslims, no matter what is said about them) - then it will lead to the thread being closed.


    So anyone who gets involved, should know that if this thread turns into something evil. Insha Allaah it will be closed.

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    Iam not saying anti Taliban propoganda iam a admirer of the resistence they are putting up in Afghanistan.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by ISLAMASWEENEY View Post
    Iam not saying anti Taliban propoganda iam a admirer of the resistence they are putting up in Afghanistan.
    Do you admire how they blow up market places filled with fellow Afgans?
    Or is it the way they blow up schools because girls go there?

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    No i admire the way they are holding out against Nato forces that market place bomb today was a war crime no doubt about that but Nato and the Afghan army and police have commited more.

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    ps... already started a simular thread a few months ago, when get time will link it back to this one so we dont end up all repeating ourselves or maybe the mods can merge threads or something.
    I did open one weeks ago.
    anyways I don't regard the Taliban as the perfect example of enforcers of Islamic laws.nor do I regard them as defenders of anything since they are associated with people like Bin Laden who have been responsible for so much negative stuff that has happened to Muslims.The guy got blood on his hands ,yes,just like some other world leaders.
    KSA comes close and is quite perfect but there are still some issues they haven't resolved yet like honour killings( I am not sure whether if they still occur),forced marriages,bad treatment for foreign workers,exploitation of foreign women workers,racism,the list goes on quite a bit.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by ISLAMASWEENEY View Post
    No i admire the way they are holding out against Nato forces that market place bomb today was a war crime no doubt about that but Nato and the Afghan army and police have commited more.
    So war crimes are ok as long as the other side commits more? laying:

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    They are national Afghan resistence.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by ISLAMASWEENEY View Post
    They are national Afghan resistence.
    Is that why they kill Afghans? Why are they resisting Afghanis?
    You seam to have the ability of ignore the obvious.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    lol i cant help but see them as heroes. and when the west bashes them it only increases my longing to see what their like lol kinda funny
    So what is stopping you from going to Afghanistan and 'signing up' ? It doesn't seem too hard to do.

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    they are getting more and more control on the pakistan side of the border too - in the tribal areas and in frontier province.
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    Yes but you could say the Viet Cong killed Vietnamese people you could say the Mujahaden in Afghanistan killed Afghans AND also Iraqi resistence is killing innocent Iraqis.

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    I dont care what they do with the pashtun parts. Herat and the western parts they shoildnt touch. Its Khorassan, Im from Iranian Khorassan. But the brittish invaded and took it. Its like if mexico and America split up Texas, its still one Texas.

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    the borders drawn by the british also split baluchistan, no? or is this what you were talking about?
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