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    Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

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    THE HAGUE — MP Geert Wilders, the leader of the far right Freedom Party, pressed Wednesday, August 8, for banning the Noble Qur’an in the Netherlands, drawing immediate rebuke from the government.
    "Ban this wretched book like "Mein Kampf" is banned," Wilders wrote in a letter published in the local De Volkskrant newspaper and cited by Agence France-Presse (AFP).

    Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf outlines the future Nazi dictator's racist ideology It has been banned in the Netherlands since the end of World War II.

    "Send a signal to…Islamic radicals that the Qur’an cannot be used in the Netherlands as an inspiration or an excuse for violence," wrote MP Wilders, whose party holds nine seats in the 150-member parliament.

    He claimed that the Muslim holy book has no place in "our constitutional state," claiming that the Qur’an asks Muslims to persecute or kill non-Muslims and to establish an Islamic state by force.

    "I have been saying this for years: there is no such thing as a moderate Islam," wrote the far-right lawmaker.

    "I am fed up with Islam in the Netherlands: no more Muslim immigrants allowed.

    "I am fed up with the worship of Allah and Muhammad in the Netherlands: no more mosques."

    Earlier this year, Wilders pressed for a no-confidence vote against Muslim ministers Ahmed Aboutaleb and Nebahat Albayrak, questioning their loyalty to the Netherlands.

    He has also campaigned to ban the building of new mosques and halt all Muslim immigration.

    Muslims make up one million of the Netherlands’s 16 million population.



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    The government swiftly condemned the remarks as damaging for community relations and said the proposal was unworthy of consideration.

    "It has to be perfectly clear that banning the Qur’an in the Netherlands is not up for discussion for this government and will not be up for discussion in future," Integration Minister Ella Vogelaar said in a statement.

    "We have freedom or religion here."

    Vogelaar described Wilders' call as "an insult to the majority of Muslims in the Netherlands and abroad who reject calls to hate and violence."

    The anti-terrorism chief had recently warned the MP that his repeated anti-Islam remarks were going too far and were stoking anger in the Middle East.

    Ayhan Tonca, chairman of the Muslim umbrella group, ridiculed the allegations about the Muslim holy book.

    "This is a ridiculous idea," he was quoted as saying by Reuters.

    He accused the far-right MP of playing the anti-Islam card for political gains.

    "There is not much news at the moment so he is trying to create some.

    "This is typical Wilders."

    Lawyer Els Lucas was not satisfied with words and took action against the controversial MP.

    He filed a legal complaint against the MP for "insulting a section of the community".

    The offence is punishable with a maximum sentence of two years in prison and a fine of up to 16,750 euros (23,065 dollars).

    The Dutch public prosecutor's office will have to decide whether or not to go ahead with a court case against Wilders.

    "I think he has gone too far and it is unseemly that a member of parliament expresses himself like this," Lucas told the ANP news agency.

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    Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Nice to see such unprofessional nuttiness is not tolerated by the Dutch government.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    I used to love Holland but they are acting a bit strange lately arnt they?.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Greetings,

    That pretty illiberal for the Netherlands!

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    format_quote Originally Posted by ISLAMASWEENEY View Post
    I used to love Holland but they are acting a bit strange lately arnt they?.
    This was just one MP who was swiftly put in his place.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Yes i know but Holland always struck me as a peaceful respectful country.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Unless mainstream politicians take care of immigration, populists and radicals like Wilders would be popular. Or maybe the mainstream politicians take over the ideas of the radicals, like Sarkozy stole some ideas from Le Pen.
    Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Is Amster**** and Rotter**** part of Holland?
    Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    "By time, Indeed, mankind is in loss, Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience." Quran 103

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Holland wants to withdraw from Afghanistan aswell.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Yes Amsterdam is the capital and Rotterdam is a big port city brother.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    wow....amazing...this world never ceases to amaze me....man couldn't believe in Holland?uh well maybe Muslims don't interact well with the Dutch;Muslims in general being conservative whereas the Dutch lead a liberal lifestyle,not much in common.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    i actually enjoyed this story because its more positive than negative, one idiot came and said something stupid, the good thing is that he was swiftly condemned by others and may get sued now, so its good. at least these folks didnt come out saying ah yes free speech respect it!

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    It is because Islam is acknoweldged as being a cult rather than being an actual religion in some parts of the world and here is why.

    1) Strict loyalty
    2) Never able to leave, unless wanting to die by someone else's hands or facing up to an infinity of years in prison
    3) Conversion of people often against their will in many parts of the world
    4) Promotes oppression and immediant change in governments, often for the worst for a particular group of people
    5) Promotes theocracy
    6) Promotes Pan-Arabism, which is a fascist practice
    7) Disacknowledges Scientific discoveries such as evolution

    But do no fear, most of Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism acts much like a similar cult.

    And here is something to rant about.

    If they are willing to have the bible in the Netherlands then they should be willing to have the koran in the netherlands.

    Perhaps the true reason is that the koran isn't translated into dutch and therefore is seen as an outside influence to the cultural integrity of the Dutch Lands.
    Last edited by Darkseid; 08-09-2007 at 01:41 AM.

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    It is because Islam is acknoweldged as being a cult rather than being an actual religion in some parts of the world and here is why.

    1) Strict loyalty
    Strict loyalty is a sign of a cult? Tell me one religion which preaches back-biting and betrayal, and I'll tell you that it is a "cult".

    2) Never able to leave, unless wanting to die by someone else's hands or facing up to an infinity of years in prison
    Problem is that Christianity preaches the same thing, a mere glance at the Bible you'll find

    If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone him to death (deuteronomy 13:6-10)

    So as you can clearly read, the Bible, which Christians regard as the infallible or otherwise inspired word of God, preaches that if one of your own family member, even if it is your son stops worshipping the one God and worships false gods and idols, you are to put him to death by stoning. So why are you singling out Islam? Why don't you consider Christianity to be a cult?

    3) Conversion of people often against their will in many parts of the world
    Islam does not teach forced conversion, if it happens, it is against the teaching of the Holy Quran: Let there be no compulsion in religion (2:256)

    4) Promotes oppression and immediant change in governments, often for the worst for a particular group of people
    Flat out wrong. It seems your knowledge of Islam is quite embarrassing.

    5) Promotes theocracy
    If by theocracy you mean an Islamic government, where the shariah is the law of the land, and the government's duty is to enforce and safeguard it, yes Islam promotes theocracy. Other religions, however, also promote theocracy, which explains the existence of the CHRISTIAN democratic parties in Europe, and the Religion Right's influence in American politics and government. So I ask you again, why solely pick on Islam and not Christianity? And what about Hinduism, the third largest religion after Islam and christianity. Hindu religious political parties have massive clout in India, such as the Bharatiya Janatha Party (BJP), the Shiv Sena (SS), the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP), the Bajrang Dal, the RSS, and whole range of other major and minor political movements whose sole aspiration is Hindu religious dominance in the field of government in India. So by your definition, the three largest religions in the world are "Cults". But why stop there, even Sri Lankan Buddhists want a theocracy there. So what exactly is a religion in your definition? Bahaism? Give me a break.

    6) Promotes Pan-Arabism, which is a fascist practice
    Not only does Islam NOT promote pan-arabism, but it is against all forms of ethnic nationalism and tribalism and the false pride in one's lineage or race.

    O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). (49:13)

    Once again, another case of complete ignorance on your part.

    7) Disacknowledges Scientific discoveries such as evolution
    Islam does not disapprove of scientific discoveries, but since when is evolution a scientific discovery? A large segment of Christians completely reject evolution, because their Bible says God created mankind some six thousand years ago with Adam and Eve. Is Christianity a cult for rejecting evolution as well?

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    format_quote Originally Posted by Hashim_507 View Post

    Muslims make up one million of the Netherlands’s 16 million population.


    A country with 6% muslims... how can they ban the muslim holy book.. i hope not

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Is it in the name of "liberal secular humanism" that this Dutch MP (and many Dutch Christians like him) want to ban the Holy Quran? Because if that is so, why are they not making similar demands for the Bible to be censured? The Bible, particularly some "notorious" Old Testament passages call for aggressive violence, genocide, and killing of idolatrous apostates, as well as adulterers and even those who curse their parents, by stoning them to death. This may sound like Islam, but its actually the Bible, the supposedly number one bestseller in the world.

    I believe that the Dutch, and many in Europe have not yet rid themselves of their racial prejudice towards non-whites and non-christians. They are still afflicted with the disease of false pride in one's heritage. They have become so secularized and immoral that they are reluctant to adhere to the traditional lifestyle of marriage and family, and the effects of this foolish culture is that their numbers have diminished and with widespread immigration, especially from Muslim countries, they feel threatened. Threatened about their sinful way of life with all those strict and austere Muslims having large families and slowly gaining in influence and power. Threatened furthermore by the fact that their own youth raised in an unclean and impious environment are attracted to Islam, a religion of discipline and excellent moral guidance, and are converting in large numbers by the grace of Allah.

    This is the root of European far-right reaction and disdain for Islam, in case anyone was wandering.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abdul-Raouf View Post
    A country with 6% muslims... how can they ban the muslim holy book.. i hope not
    I have lived in Holland 2 times and I know one reason why this Minister wants the Noble Qur'an banned in the Netherlands....

    First of all... we have to know that Dutch are natural Beer Drinkers... they drink not to get drunk... but it is part of their culture. IN fact, one of their biggest industry is the Beer Brewering Industry like Heineken and Amstel to name some. the 6% of Muslims will of course multiply by means of birth and entrophy... We are talking about - Economic Sabotage here for the Alchohol Industry.

    THe Dutch are a Merry and Fun-loving people, and they are serious about keeping their rights to have fun in tact.

    Islam do not encourage the government to kick off people out of their houses when they are not able to pay a loan in the bank or fall short in their rents... In Holland... there are many incidents that when the government had problems putting Muslims out of their houses... Because, as a Muslim, you will die fighting defending your properties. This has been the complaint of Dutch bailifts and police.

    This is probably some of the reasons why this Dutch PM acted that way. Little does he know. It is only the ignorant about the Qur'an that repels it.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    My employer has had an office in the Netherlands for many years. I have spent a considerable amount of time there. The Dutch pride themselves on tolerance, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and multiculturalism. I think this guy calling for a ban on the koran is more of a political act, not a matter of Christian vs. Muslim.

    A significant even in Holland was the killing of the filmmaker van gogh there in 2004 by a muslim offended by one of van gogh's films, and the death threats made to the woman who scripted the film. The film was definitely made to infuriate muslims, as was van gogh's style, but this has given these radicals a foothold there. Murder and death threats over a film, no matter how offensive, go against what most Dutch people believe is a reasonable reaction.

    They found this particularly shocking and haven't gotten over it. They might have let it go if the murder was simply a lone nut case, but the fatwahs calling for the killing of the woman who scripted the film, has made many Dutch believe this was not the act of a loner, rather how Muslims react to being offended, in general.

    The call for banning of the koran by some right wing guy is not a "Christian" reaction in Holland. It is a reaction by some people who feel threatened by a culture they are afraid is immigrating into their country and using their religion to justify violence. According to the Dutch folks I know, it is violence they are concerned about, not the worship of God in mosques as opposed to churches.

    I've known, and still know, quite a number of Dutch citizens. Most do not attend church, or even call themselves Christians. Non muslim does not equal Christian. It's good this guy was put in his place. I think we can only hope cooler heads will continue to prevail on all sides and get along without violence.

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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    format_quote Originally Posted by Darkseid View Post
    1) Strict loyalty
    2) Never able to leave, unless wanting to die by someone else's hands or facing up to an infinity of years in prison
    3) Conversion of people often against their will in many parts of the world
    4) Promotes oppression and immediant change in governments, often for the worst for a particular group of people
    5) Promotes theocracy
    6) Promotes Pan-Arabism, which is a fascist practice
    7) Disacknowledges Scientific discoveries such as evolution
    What the... man if you didn't already say this was meant to be about Islam, I would have had no idea which religion you were talking about. Talk about misinformed!
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    Re: Dutch MP Wants Qur’an Ban

    Wilders is clearly going nuts lately, he is radicalizing by the minute. I'm not sure what motivates him, maybe it's just political strategy. But I can't really believe that to be honest, he's going too far with statements like these. It might also have something to do with the way he has been forced to live for the last few years, under constant protection and death threats. He appears convinced that Islam is a dangerous political ideology similar to Fascism. Some branches of political Islam might well have some similarities with Fascism, but to call for the prohibition of the Qu'ran is madness and contrary to Dutch religious tradition.


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