God can do anything. The question is not: "is he able", the questions is: "is he willing?"
Before anyone decides to comment on this, know it is a very serious question.
Can God... the infinite, powerful being that He is.... lie?
God can do anything. The question is not: "is he able", the questions is: "is he willing?"
why God wants to lie?
Of course he wouldn't, I was only pointing out the question was badly phrased. The word God seems to imply omnipotence if you ask me. So asking: "is a god able?" is kind of like asking: "is a circle round?".
Well since God is able to lie, then why would he not? How do we know God does not 'lie' in your opinion? He could very well do it. I have been told by Christians that God cannot lie.
A similar question is: Can God make something so big, God cannot contain it?
Well in my opinion, people lie because they wanted to hide things, to gain something or to show off.
But why god wants to lie? God doesn't gain anything from us. Is the human gain and receive rewards for the things that we do.
Last edited by syilla; 09-04-2007 at 05:03 AM.
Untrue. People lie for many different reasons.format_quote Originally Posted by syilla
format_quote Originally Posted by Basirah
yes...that is true...i only list some of it.
You should lists it all too...maybe we can see the reality of why people lie.
reasons a god would lie.
to play a joke.
to be cruel.
to be kind.
to hide something.
to misdirect.
to fool others.
What will God benefit from these?format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2
what does it matter?format_quote Originally Posted by syillaWhat will God benefit from these?
perhaps it feels like it.
perhaps god is a cruel being and gets enjoyment out of it.
perhaps it might lie to protect as a parent may to child
many rational reasons why a god might lie.
lol...people always wants enjoyment.format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2
Do you think God need 'enjoyment'?
do i think that a hypothetical being might want enjoyment. of course.format_quote Originally Posted by syilla
Most beings seem to like enjoyment.
Heck if i were god im pretty sure id be bored.
The gods in many mythologies have quite a few cruels and bad human qualities.
Jealousy , selfishness, cruelty, etc.. seem to be some of the most common ones.
well...then that is your concept of 'god'. But Alhamdulillah not islam.format_quote Originally Posted by ranma1/2
There's this article by brother Ansar Al Adl....a similar matter....
SourceQuestion: Can God create a stone large enough that even He can't lift?
Answered by Ansar Al-'Adl
Atheists attempt to use this question to prove that the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. But the problem here is a contradiction in terms. This issue becomes even more clear when we examine a related question: "Can God create an uncreated being?" The problem here is that the questioner has already defined the being to be uncreated and then proceeds to ask for something that contradicts that definition. The problem is in the questioner's terms, not any lack in God's potential. The same is true when asking God to make a circle with four sides. Having already provided a definition of a circle that could never include a four-sided figure, such a question is absurd. Something is certainly self-contradictory here, but it is the questioner's terminology and not the omnipotence of God.
The same is true when we come to the case of create a stone which cannot be lifted. Aside from the problem that we are placing an infinite unrestricted being under the finite restricted laws of our universe, the concept of the stone is self-contradictory. Basically, such a stone could not exist. When one asks if God could create such a stone, one would normally identify the properties of such a stone. But here we haven't been given absoloute properties, but instead we've been given properties of the stone relative to God's properties. The questioner has identified the potential stone as something so big that God couldn't lift, so even though we already know that there is nothing God cannot lift, they have used that as an attribute for the stone. Automatically, the concept of such a stone is nullfied. Now, when they ask could God create such a stone, the answer is no, but that doesn't imply a lack of potential on the part of God. Instead, it reflects the fact that the concept of such a stone is illogical, unreal, inadmissable. It is very similar to asking if God can die. Well, death isn't an ability, its the inability to live. The immortal cannot die because that defies His attribute of immortality. Similarly, the omnipotent cannot create a task that He can't complete because such a task is merely a figment of one's imagination and could not exist.
You're basically asking, if God can do anything, can He make it impossible for himself to do something? The question is illogical and self-contradictory because the argument contradicts the premise. Once you have already established that God can do anything, then that's a set attribute and part of His nature. Therefore, He can do anything that is consistent with His nature, anything that is absolute.
Can God make 1=2? Well if 1=2, then it wouldn't be 1! So the idea is self-contradictory, not God.
The question also reminds me of the idea of what happens when an immovable rock meets an unstoppable force? The two things cannot exist in the same universe. Likewise, if God exists then all things which contradict His attributes are imaginary, non-existant and impossible. They are forever bound to the realm of imagination and cannot be brought into existence.
Shaykh Ibn Abil-'Izz (d. 1389CE) also answered this question in Sharhul Aqeedatit Tahaawiyyah (p.137), in his discussion of the following verse:
And Allah, over each thing, is omnipotent; all-powerful [al-Baqarah 2:284]
This includes all that is possible. As for what is in intrinsically impossible - such as there being a thing that exists and does not exist at one and the same time - then, this has no reality, nor is its existence conceivable, nor is it termed 'a thing' by agreement of those with intelligence. Included in this category is: [Allah] creating the likes of Himself, making Himself non-existent, and other impossibilites.
This also serves as a reply to the question posed by some: 'Can Allah create a stone that He is unable to lift?' The argument being that if Allah cannot create such a stone, He is not all-powerful; but if He can, then likewise He is not all-powerful. The fallacy of this argument lies in the fact that such an affair is, in itself, impossible and exists only in the minds of certain people. And not all that the mind conjures-up has an existence that is possible, nor is it always termed 'a thing.'
Hopefully that makes the issue clear.
And Allah knows best.
Correct. God is however not human. So your entire logic has just be turn upside down, nullifying your argument.format_quote Originally Posted by Basirah
Plus, read the article I provided yeh...
can a human become covered with feathers and flap wings thus causing him to at least float if not fly?format_quote Originally Posted by Basirah
^ think about how ridiculous this sounds.
you see when there are attributes to everything, there are attributes to all creatures and species. We as humans have qualities which help others to recognize us, if we were lacking in these qualities then we may cease to be human, how many times have we heart the word "inhumane" used?
My point is that Allah has qualities, and he is HAQ! The truth, so it does not befit his majesty to nullify this
Basirah, or whatever was your nickname, This kind of questions are asked by and atheist, maybe you are one of them , I don't know.
Nowhere in the Quran (as I know) Allah had said HE CAN DO EVERYTHING and ANYTHING! He has power above all things, but HE CAN NOT DO ungodly things, and TO LIE is ungodly thing!
If you are a christian, I can show you WHERE, according to the Bible, God lied.
peace be upon you.
Allah is beyond human understanding, you cannot even guess about him, all you need to know about Allah is in the quran and hadith, matters like thinking about can god lie etc can leed you to madness. God is too powerful, too high to be undrstandby our simple human brain.
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