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    I dont know how to say this, but i'll just cut to the chase, and if none of it makes sense, let me know, and i'll clarify, inshallah.
    something that has been playing on my mind for awhile, but hit home within the last day.

    I am deeply saddened and distressed how divided this ummah has become. One thing i have noticed from being on this forum, is how much this ummah has truly differed. Why the mathhabs people? dont get me wrong, i have nothing against the four imams at all, and perhaps i am misunderstanding something, but can someone please exaplin to me why we have to follow a particular imam. To me, it sounds as if The Prophet (sallalahu ayehi wa salam) was not good enough to follow. And no! by no means am I accusing anyone of belittling him (sallalahu ayehi wa salam). And what gets to me even more, is when they are fanatically in support of one of their opinions, although it is quite clear that there has been a mistake in the ruling. Before anyone decides to accuse me of appointing myself as a scolar, no, this is not my intention, i do not even consider myself to be one.

    it saddens me deeply when i befriend or atleast hold someone to high respects, yet i find out something disturbing about them, than causes me to loose respet for that person. i am not saying im better than anyone else, im simiply reflecting on all our differences.

    iam sick to death of my shiekh versus your shiekh. i cant follow your shiekh because he is a ............. well if my (not me personally, just in general) shiekh happens to have the strongest opinion, than im gonna take it, whter he is a maaliki, or a haanifi. The most disturbing thing is that it goes to show the loop holes amoung the unity of the muslims. why do we even a sheikh to begin with. why should we even have a shiekh to begin with? If we were united, than we would follow the same opinion. i understanbd that the sclaors differed amoung themselves about certain things, but really, the way people go on. get a grip already!! for allah sake, cant we just swallow and move on!!! It dosn't matter if the imam dosn't raise hands during prayer at every takbeer. is it even obligatory to begin wth. no!!!

    O brothers and sisters, do we not realise that one more argument left unsolved will result in one more difference, which will result in one more disunity and hatred. for each other!!

    I see the muslims treatng the kufaaar, even better than one another. Do da3wah, yes! i dont disagree, but really, what is this people? where is the love and respect we had for one another. by allah!! the way we uncover each others mistake, its as if a leopard is waiting for its pray. we humiliate one another. Sunhanallah. what is becoming of us.

    And i am getting quite disturbed at how our scholars are being ridiculed and slandered. Not the dodgy ones, no!! the decent ones, that present sound evidence when making a ruling. Put our scholars aside for a sec. what about the average muslims who has a desire to do good. sheesh!! the way we ridicule him/her.

    Oh muslims. how do we expect allah to help us, when we do not help one another. How do we expect our mothers no to have their children torn from them, from having our fathers being tortued, from having our children being mutilated (yes people they are getting mutilpated), our children left parentless, what vulnrable child deseves this??? our sisters being raped, and humiliated all because of this disunity. There is only a hand full of mujaahideen scatterd here and there, fighting for laa ilaaha illah. Am i saying leave you homes and childen. and your work and study? no, (if you wanna, go right ahead, im not gonna stop ya). im just pointing out the reason for this small number. our disunity.

    thats it, for now, inshallah.
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    lol wa alaikum ussalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

    you are upset deeply at the fact that this ummah is divided, sister we all feel that pain... trust me... but its destiny aswell. Rasullulahi sallallahu alaihi wasallaam said this ummah will divide into 73 sects... only one on the straight path.

    That straight path is the ahlus sunnah wal jamaah.

    As for the madhaahibs, it isnt following "one man", lol to think that is a misconception. Quite a big one, it is actually four huge schools with highly knowledgable respected scholars who have all come together as a shura to discuss fiqhi issues thus resulting in a "school of thought". Imam abu hanifa had 50 of the most highest eminent scholars OF his time, every fatwa would be discussed between all of them, amongst these were Qadhi Abu Yusuf who debated with Imam Abu Hanifa for 7 years regarding the uncreatedness of the Quran, and also Ibn Abidin one of imam abu hanifa's top students, the other madhaahib imaams also did the same EXCEPT FOR imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal who ordered his fatwa not be written down, and to follow only the Quran and Sunnah.

    So you see, it is not "ONE MAN", rather it is the opinion of a majority of highly knowledgable scholars.

    Even then mistakes can be made wallahu a'lam, but i felt it necessary to clear up that misconception..
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    i understand u.ive had this issue..but not at this frequency before.

    as the bro above wud know, i am a lil liberal wen it comes to madhabs.in other terms, i am a hanafi who eats prawns and calamari rings.lol.

    umm...the thing is, just to add what IbnAbdulHakim said, madhabs are the massive schools of thought, established in order to get rid of confusion in the contemporary context.

    they go deep into sunnah and the quran and draw out solid interpretations for issues which are not clearly or directly expressed in the quran or hadis.

    eg) eating prawns...wearing socks in prayer...etc.

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    jazakallahu khair for the clarificaiton. but i didn't mean it like that. :X
    what i meant is why do people follow a particular school of thought? get it?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post

    jazakallahu khair for the clarificaiton. but i didn't mean it like that. :X
    what i meant is why do people follow a particular school of thought? get it?
    hmmm

    i see.its usually what u grow up with...

    its regional...whereever the imaan was closest to when he was teaching...

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    ive never met anyone who has chosen or changed their madhab....whoever u learn from...they jst teach u what they know.my parents taught me..they are turkish.turkish ppl are generally hanafi...

    kurdish ppl are generally shafii...

    my paki frends are hanafi.

    my aussie revert frend is shafi coz she learnt from someone shafi...

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    lol..yeah i noticed that particular parts of the world follow a particular mathhab.
    i am a hanafi who eats prawns and calamari rings.lol.
    wow!! the hanifis dont eat prawns? :X
    this is what i mean. in not aiming this at anyone, and i dont know the exact ruling about eating prawns, but lets, for arguments sake say that they are okay. if this is the strongest (i mean the one with the most sound evidence,etc), than i dont understand why people stick to that mathhaby opinion, although the opposite is clear.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post

    what i meant is why do people follow a particular school of thought? get it?
    assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

    if you knew that 50 of the greatest faqihs from amongst the tabi'een conducted a shura to come to a conclusion on an issue, would you not consider their judgement to be trusted?

    yes you can ask for the dalaa'il, but you shouldnt dismiss their dalaa'ils so easily...

    i hope this helps even a little inshaAllah
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    i understand your point, and it does make sense, (im not just saying that). but i think we'll leave it here inshallah. i think we are looking at it from two different angles, and it looks like we are going to go in circles.
    and no, i wouldn't dismiss their evidences easily, if that was directed in that sense.
    i think also i may be offending
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    ^ Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

    ive been contemplating a lot recently over the whole madhab issue, and i cant help but feel that the views intiated by the four madhaahibs have over time slowly been distorted, the pure pristine forms of the madhaabs may have innovations in them.... Allah knows best.

    But for many fiqhi issues the madhaabs are the best source, that im sure of, Allahu A'lam !


    and sister, rest assured im not offended even the slighest, jizakAllahu khairan for your concern
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    just to add.

    i think everyone follows a madhab bt not everyone is aware of it.

    my prawn example is bad...i shudnt do that...but i did a lot of research...teh thing is that abu hanifi didnt say anything abt seafood.he died before the daleel could reach him or before he cud study it...

    the other three studied them and said its ok...

    its only logical.i dnt think there is a need to be anal on the topic.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post
    this is what i mean. in not aiming this at anyone, and i dont know the exact ruling about eating prawns, but lets, for arguments sake say that they are okay. if this is the strongest (i mean the one with the most sound evidence,etc), than i dont understand why people stick to that mathhaby opinion, although the opposite is clear.


    The simple answer is, because we are not scholars are not qualified to be able to tell which opinion is strnger than the other. The very fact that the scholars differ on an issue means that it is not as clear cut as it might seem to us.Fiqh is very complex.

    One thing I was taught by my respected teacher that you should never criticize a scholar for having an opinion (as long as it is valid, and not something insane such as saying the 5 daily prayers/ramadhan is not obligatory), and you should respect that he is a scholar and has the right to hold and opinion, even if you or I might not like it or disagree with it. When asking a scholar/student of knowledge for the proof, we should be asking for the purpose of gaining knowledge, not to ascertain whether his opinion is right or not (because we aren't qualified).

    As for the issue of madhhabs, I think you don't actually understand what a madhhab is. A madhhab, or school of thought, is the approach taken by a group of scholars to derive rulings from the Quran and sunnah. The reason we have different madhabs is because the scholars have differed on the appraoch to take.

    For example, Imam Malik, who lived in Madinah at the time when most of its inhabitants where the children and grandchildren of the sahabah, considered the general actions of the people of Madinah as proof for something, because they learned from their parents who learned from the Prophet pbuh. So, if an act was widespread amongst them, then this is proof that it is permissible. However the other scholars disagree with him and do not consider this to be a valid way to come up with rulings.

    Another example, is that because Imam Abu Hanifa lived in Kufah in Iraq, he was isolated from the main source of hadiths (the companions and their students who were concentrated in Madinah). On top of that, hadith fabrication was very wide spread in his city. Because of that, he had very, very strict guidelines for the acceptance of hadith because he had few hadith to start with and there were so many fabricated hadith going around. Because of how strict he was, he even ended up rejecting authentic hadith! And also, because he had few hadith, he had to rely a lot on analogy when coming up with rulings, because of his limited resources.

    I hope that helps you understand the why we have different madhhabs. There is nothing wrong with following a madhab. The problem comes when lay people (such as us) are intolerant of people who follow a different opinion. However, in reality we should not criticise others if they are following a different opinion as long as that opinion is valid.

    I hope that helps! Feel free to ask any more questions.
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    brother IAH, thats very true. sometimes i read things that say imam malik said, and im thinking, that dosn't sound like the imam malik that i know....

    But for many fiqhi issues the madhaabs are the best source, that im sure of, Allahu A'lam !
    i agree, and come to think of it, it maybe alittle worrying if a scholar didn't refer to their views when making a ruling.
    i can also see where you're coming from. i dont like it when there is a bias towards a mathhab. i like it if there is a little disagreement over something, and the mufti/shiekh presents all those veiw, like for you to decide. because after certain evidences are presented, your heart is content with a certain one. do you know what i mean?

    he died before the daleel could reach him or before he cud study it...
    this is what gets to me. not all the daleels reach the imams. but even after relaible evidence is shown to some people, they still stick to the imams opinion, even though its wrong.
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    I also wanted to add- people tend to associate not following a madhhab with 'salafis' and the top Saudi scholars and Madinah university. However this is incorrect, and I have heard it directly from students of the university that their teachers (including, if I remember correctly, Shaykh 'Uthaymeen... I hope I spelled his name right...) that while learning, a student of knowledge should follow a madhab and should not differ from the madhab until he is qualified to tell which opinion is strong than another, something that takes years of study to attain!
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    ^ bt the imaams didnt make rulings on the things which they died before.

    when u show someone daleel...if the imaam has said something on the topic...they will go with the imaam coz it invloves more than just a peice of daleel...

    bt if they dnt accept daleel on something their imaan didnt talk abt...they cant help but follow the daleel...

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    Meh.... One of the signs that the Day of judgement is near init.....look at the state of us
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Malaikah View Post

    However, in reality we should not criticise others if they are following a different opinion as long as that opinion is valid.
    its not that sis. :sunny: if you're aiming it at me, it dont bother me the difference of opinion. where're humans, of cource were gonna differ. what bothers me is how people get so fanatic.

    I hope that helps! Feel free to ask any more questions.
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    assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

    yes a muqallid must follow a sheikh as his knowledge is very little.
    logic also dictates whilst following an a sheikh one trusts as sheikh albaani/uthaymeen and many others rahmatullahi alayh ajmaeen have said naturally if that sheikh is a scholar or a person of high ilm and is searching of knowledge then he will have a madhaahib, it is required is it not? So thus every person in essence does indeed follow a madhab, due to the madhab of their sheikh...


    i hope that makes sense, wa allahu a'lam

    may Allah give us the tawfeeq to remain true muwahhids, to have adhaab during ikhtilaaf, to accept ikhtilaaf, and to stay upon as-siraatul mustaqeem.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by maryam11 View Post
    its not that sis. :sunny: if you're aiming it at me, it dont bother me the difference of opinion. where're humans, of cource were gonna differ. what bothers me is how people get so fanatic.
    I wasn't referring to you sis.

    This is an excellent artcile that might help, it was recommended by Shaykh Tawfique Chowdary. It looks at differences in opinions and the problem with 'following the evidence' and gives the example of the shafi'i opinion of whether touching a person of the opposite gender breaks wudu or not:

    Question


    I came across the following in an email attachment. I would like to know if the Shafi`i fuqaha hold this view. Also what is the reasoning behind it? Jazak Allahu khayran.

    Here is the excerpt from the email attachment (attributed to Dr. Zakir Naik).

    "Imam Shafi said that when a woman touches a man who is in a state of wudhu the wudhu breaks. However this ruling of Imam Shafi contradicts the authentic saying of the Prophet. Narrated Aishah, the Prophet [may peace be upon Him] kissed one of His wives and went out for saying prayer. He did not perform ablution. (Sunan Abu Dawood, vol. 1, Chapter 70, Hadith 179)

    Thus this particular teaching of Imam Shafi`i contradicts the authentic saying of the Prophet. So I reject this specific ruling of Imam Shafi`i who himself said, "If I say something, then compare it to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger, if it agrees to them then accept it and that which goes against them, then reject it and throw my saying against the wall." This is a saying of as-Shaafi`ee rahimahullah. See al-Majmoo` of an-Nawawee (1/63).

    Thus by rejecting this particular teaching of Imam Shafi`i which contradicts the authentic hadith, I am practically a better follower of Imam Shafi`i than those who call themselves Shafi`i."

    Answer

    by Ml. Taha Karaan

    The excerp that you qoute is very significant in that it bespeaks of a tendency that is at once welcome and worrisome. It is welcome on account that it indicates a desire to live as close as possible to the Quan and Sunnah; but worrisome because it initially oversimplifies matters of considerable complexity, and subsequently develops into the passing of judgment by persons, that if truth be told, are vastly unqualified for the task.

    In asserting that he does that the hadith cited is authentic, and that Imam Shafi is contradicting it the good doctor - if it is indeed he that is the author of the excerpt - has cerainly overstepped the boundaries of his expertise. It would be easy enough to accept without question a ruling of authenticity by some scholar or the other but that would in itself be an act of blind imitation - the very same unquestioning taqlid which is so strongly condemned by the opponents of madhahib.

    AUTHENTICITY

    It appears to escape his attention that the authenticity of the hadith he qoutes has been called into question by the greatest of hadith scholars. Aside from Imam Shafi`i the authenticity of this hadith has been called into question by a number of eminent muhaddithun, both on the basis of the identity of `Urwah who narrates the hadith from Sayyidah `Aishah radiyallah `anha and at times on grounds of a problem with continuity in the chain between the narrator Habib ibn Abi Thabit and `Urwah. Many of the Muhaddithun were of the opinion that this `Urwah is not the famous `Urwah ibn Zubayr, the nephew and pupil of Sayyidah `Aishah, but an unknown person known as `Urwah al-Muzani; and quite a few were of the persuasion that Habib did not hear this hadith from `Urwah. It has even been suggested by some experts that one of the narrators confused the hadith of kissing not invalidating the fast with kissing not invalidating wudhu. Here follows a list of hadith critics and their criticism against the hadith:

    al-Bukhari: His student Tirmidhi states: I heard Muhammad ibn Isma`il [al-Bukhari] declaring this hadith as weak. He said: Habib ibn Abi Thabit [one of the narrators in the chain] did not hear [hadith] from [his purported source] `Urwah. Jami` al-Tirmidhi. nr 86.

    Yahya ibn Sa‘id al-Qattan: He denounced two of Habib ibn Abi Thabit's narrations as "akin to nothing". This hadith one of the two. (cited by Abu Dawud, al-Sunan no's. 179-180)

    al-Tirmidhi: After narrating the hadith he states: Our companions (i.e. the scholars of hadith) have abandoned the hadith of ‘A’ishah on this issue because it is not authentic due to the state of its chain of narration. (Jami‘ al-Tirmidhi no. 86)

    Yahya ibn Ma‘in: When asked by his pupil ‘Abbas al-Duri about the status of Habib ibn Abi Thabit he declared him as a reliable narrator, but pointed at two of his ahadith as defective. One of the two is this hadith. (cited by al-Bayhaqi, Ma‘rifat al-Sunan wal-Athar vol. 1 p. 216, al-Dhahabi, Siyar A‘lam al-Nubala vol. 5 p. 290, and al-Mizzi, Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 5 p. 362)

    Abu Hatim al-Razi: Ibn Abi Hatim states: I heard my father say: The hadith of ‘A’ishah on not making wudu due to kissing, i.e. the hadith of al-A‘mash from Habib from ‘Urwah, is not authentic. (Ibn Abi Hatim, al-‘Ilal no. 110)

    Sufyan al-Thawri: This hadith was mentioned to Yahya ibn Sa‘id, and he said: Sufyan al-Thawri amongst all men knew this matter best. He claimed that Habib did not hear any [hadith] from ‘Urwah. (cited by al-Daraqutni, al-Sunan vol. 1 p. 139) He also stated that the ‘Urwah from whom Habib narrates the hadith is not ‘Urwah ibn al-Zubayr, but the unknown ‘Urwah al-Muzani. (cited by Abu Dawud, al-Sunan no's. 179-180)

    al-Daraqutni: In his Sunan Imam al-Daraqutni points out the defects of all the various versions of the hadith. He also points out how the hadith of invalidating fasting came to be confused with the hadith of invalidating wudu. (al-Daraqutni, al-Sunan vol. 1 pp. 135-145)

    al-Bayhaqi: After pointing out the defects in the chain of the hadith he states that the authentic version of the hadith concerns the invalidation of fasting, but that some unreliable narrators reshaped it into the invalidation of wudu. He also states that had the hadith about invalidating fasting been authentic, he would certainly have followed it. (al-Bayhaqi, al-Sunan al-Kubra vol. 1 pp. 126-127)

    DIVIDED OPINION

    The above does not mean, however, that there has been consensus upon the weakness of the hadith. Other experts (eg. Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr) were of the opinion that the hadith is passably authentic. Serious students of the subject would know that the process of authentication does not always lead to clear and unambiguous outcomes. While it is quite true that it often yields an unequivocal result, either of authenticity or otherwise, it is equally true that there sometimes ensues a situation of divided opinion, with some scholars accepting, and some rejecting authenticity. The present hadith happens to be one such case.

    The difficulty of passing decisive and unambiguous judgement on the authenticity of this particular hadith can well be gauged from the fact that even the late Shaykh al-Albani fell victim to equivocation on the issue. In his Da‘if Sunan Abi Dawud (p.16) he lists the hadith as unauthentic; while in Sahih Sunan Abi Dawud (p. 36) and Da‘if Sunan al-Tirmidhi (no.75) he takes the diametrically opposite view. One cannot help wondering how the good doctor was able to make an absolutely decisive judgement on this hadith when even al-Albani appears to have been unsure.

    CONTRADICTION

    From the aforementioned it becomes clear that the charge of contradicting the hadith which is leveled against Imam al-Shafi‘i is based upon nothing but blind acceptance of one opinion in a disputed case. Imam al-Shafi‘i was most certainly aware of the hadith, but like al-Bukhari, al-Tirmidhi, Sufyan al-Thawri, Abu Hatim al-Razi, Yahya ibn Sa‘id and others, he was not convinced of its authenticity, and therefore he made a conscious and informed decision not to employ it to restrict the generality of Allah's words in the verse of wudu: or you touched women. (5:6) Thus, in step with eminent fuqaha of the Sahabah such as Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn Mas‘ud and Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar radiyallahu ‘anhum, he asserted that this verse covers even a man's act of kissing his wife, and as such this act would render his wudu invalid.

    THE SHAFI‘I MADHHAB AND HADITH

    Imam al-Shafi‘i's well-documented instruction to abandon his madhhab in favour of authentic hadith has always been a matter of special pride for the fuqaha of his madhhab, and while similar statements have been recorded from the other imams as well, it was amongst the Shafi‘i fuqaha more than anyone else that this instruction blossomed into practical application.

    However, they understood well enough that this instruction was conditioned by a number of parameters. Had the author of this excerpt actually consulted Imam al-Nawawi's al-Majmu‘ Sharh al-Muhadhdhab which he cites as his source for Imam al-Shafi‘i's statement, he would have found a full discussion of these parameters. Imam al-Nawawi states:

    "What al-Shafi‘i states here does not mean that anyone who sees an authentic hadith can say, "This is the [proper] view of al-Shafi‘i," and [can therefore proceed to] practice upon its apparent [meaning]. It is only for one who possesses the ability of ijtihad within the madhhab… or something close to it. [Furthermore] it is subject to the condition that one be reasonably convinced that al-Shafi‘i was not aware of the hadith or did not know it to be authentic. This [level of knowledge] can only be [acquired] after perusing all of al-Shafi‘i's works, a similar amount of works of his immediate students, and other similar works. This is a difficult condition, and few are those who fulfil it. The condition which we mentioned was stipulated only because [it is known that] al-Shafi‘i desisted from practising upon many ahadith which he saw and knew, due to the fact that he had evidence which indicated that those ahadith were somehow impugned, abrogated, particularised, or subject to interpretation."

    It appears however that the doctor, for reasons of his own, preferred to use secondary or tertiary sources where the quotation is given in isolation of its parameters.

    One of the most obvious parameters is that the hadith on the basis of which a person decides to abandon Imam al-Shafi‘i's view has to be authentic. The contentiousness of the claim of authenticity has already been discussed. Suffice to say here that when Imam al-Shafi‘i himself has discarded the hadith as unauthentic (as al-Bayhaqi indicates in Ma‘rifat al-Sunan wal-Athar vol. 1 p. 215) it is certainly unbecoming of a well intentioned scholar to state that he "rejects" Imam al-Shafi‘i's view because the imam "contradicts the authentic hadith".

    Another parameter is that the person who abandons the view of the madhhab in favour of the authentic hadith should at least be suitably qualified to do so. There is certainly no intention of withholding anyone from practicing upon authentic ahadith, whether he is personally qualified to do so or whether he merely depends upon the opinion of a suitably qualified scholar other than himself. But when it comes to pointing fingers of criticism at our great mujtahid imams and blatantly accusing them of contradicting ahadith, one would think that an intelligent man would know better than to pit his extremely imperfect grasp of matters against the universally acclaimed erudition of the great imams.

    LEAVING THE BOUNDS OF THE MADHHAB

    There will inevitably be instances where followers of a particular madhhab come face to face with ahadith to which their madhhab apparently does not conform. What is to be done in such cases? Should the person summarily abandon the teaching of the madhhab in favour of the hadith? Or should he dutifully stick to the madhhab and ignore the hadith?

    Neither of these two approaches is free from certain undesirable outcomes. The fuqaha of our madhhab have therefore resolved the issue in a most ingenious manner that addresses both the praiseworthy desire to practice upon the hadith and the apprehension that this may lead to chaotic fiqh. In his introduction to al-Majmu‘ (vol. 1 p. 136) Imam al-Nawawi provides us with the following guidelines:

    "Any Shafi‘i who finds a hadith going against his madhhab should look into the matter [as follows]: If he possesses the complete requirements of ijtihad without restriction, or in that chapter, or [even] in that point [alone], he may independently practice upon [the hadith]. If he does not [possess it] and finds it difficult to go against the hadith, and his search for a valid explanation of the hadith [within his madhhab] does not provide a convincing solution, then he may practice upon the hadith with one condition, which is that another independent [mujtahid] imam other than al-Shafi‘i should have practiced upon it. This would then be a valid pretext for him to leave the madhhab of his imam."

    It is of interest here to note that all the other major schools of thought have, with varying degrees of moderation, looked upon skin contact between male and female as nullifying wudu. The Hanbalis and Malikis add the condition of deriving pleasure from such contact, while the Hanafis regard only such contact to nullify the wudu whereby there is mutual touching of the sexual organs without penetration. It should be admitted, though, that this position of the Hanafi madhhab is not founded upon the verse that speaks of touching women, but rather upon the contention that such touching almost invariably leads to the emission of fluid, which in itself is factor that nullifies the wudu.

    The idea behind following madhahib is not to turn people into prisoners of their madhahib, but rather to facilitate practicing upon the Qur’an and the Sunnah. No madhhab has ever purported to be a replacement for the Qur’an and the Sunnah, nor can it ever be. The facility that a madhhab provides is that of a systematic approach to the sources of our law, accompanied by the benefit of generation after generation of the best, purest and most capable minds. And even then, there has been recognition of the fact that situations do arise when the follower of a madhhab finds it difficult to practice contrary to the apparent meaning of a hadith that he has come across. Technically speaking, all that is required for a person faced by such a situation is that his practice be based upon the ijtihad of a valid mujtahid.

    But beyond the technical aspect there is another angle: that of conduct and etiquette. When the situation warrants departure from one's own maddhab and all the requirements are met, this does not mean that one now has a licence to indulge in disparagement of the imam from whose madhhab one has departed in that one particular issue. Never must sight be lost of the fact that one's own minuscule smidgen of pseudo-insight is still aeons away from the knowledge possessed by those paragons of scholarship and virtue. No one who is acutely aware of his own deficiencies would ever descend into using disrespectful language against the mujtahid imams of the Ummah.

    The true Shafi‘i or Hanafi, therefore, is not only he who is prepared abandon the opinions of Abu Hanifah and al-Shafi‘i when he perceives them to be in apparent contradiction to the hadith. At a deeper level it is he who is able to differ with the position of another without sliding into egotism and disparagement.

    http://www.duai.co.za/fatawa/touching_women.html
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    ^ bt the imaams didnt make rulings on the things which they died before.

    when u show someone daleel...if the imaam has said something on the topic...they will go with the imaam coz it invloves more than just a peice of daleel...

    bt if they dnt accept daleel on something their imaan didnt talk abt...they cant help but follow the daleel...

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    the bolded bit i didn't get, but the rest, i totally understand. it feels weird to follow other than that of the daleel. im right with ya.

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