Prophet Muhammad(saww) foretold that this person who despite being a brave Mujahid, will be in HELL. & He used to kill civilian non-muslims & commited suicide.:-
Bukhari:52:147:-
Narrated Sahl bin Sad As-Sa'idi: Allah's Apostle and the pagans faced each other and started fighting. When Allah's Apostle returned to his camp and when the pagans returned to their camp, somebody talked about a man amongst the companions of Allah's Apostle who would follow and kill with his sword any pagan going alone.(so it is wrong to kill anyone who is NOT fighting with u) He said, "Nobody did his job (i.e. fighting) so properly today as that man."(so he was a good mujahid)Allah's Apostle said, "Indeed, he is amongst the people of the (Hell) Fire." A man amongst the people said, "I shall accompany him (to watch what he does)" Thus he accompanied him, and wherever he stood, he would stand with him, and wherever he ran, he would run with him. Then the (brave) man got wounded seriously and he decided to bring about his death quickly. He planted the blade of the sword in the ground directing its sharp end towards his chest between his two breasts. Then he leaned on the sword and killed himself. The other man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "I testify that you are Allah's Apostle." The Prophet asked, "What has happened?" He replied, "(It is about) the man whom you had described as one of the people of the (Hell) Fire. The people were greatly surprised at what you said, and I said, 'I will find out his reality for you.' So, I came out seeking him. He got severely wounded, and hastened to die by slanting the blade of his sword in the ground directing its sharp end towards his chest between his two breasts. Then he eased on his sword and killed himself." when Allah's Apostle said, "A man may seem to the people as if he were practising the deeds of the people of Paradise while in fact he is from the people of the Hell) Fire, another may seem to the people as if he were practicing the deeds of the people of Hell (Fire), while in fact he is from the people of Paradise."
Even during war klling of women, children, elderly, & non-fighter-enemy is prohibited THEN HOW CAN SUICIDE bombing be permited!!!:-
Bukhari:-52:257.:-
During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah's Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.
Malik mauta:-21:10.:-
Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said that Abu Bakr as-Siddiq was sending armies to ash-Sham. He went for a walk with Yazid ibn Abi Sufyan who was the commander of one of the battalions. It is claimed that Yazid said to Abu Bakr, "Will you ride or shall I get down?" Abu Bakrsaid, "I will not ride and you will not get down. I intend these steps of mine to be in the way of Allah."
Then Abu Bakr advised Yazid, "You will find a people who claim to have totally given themselves to Allah. Leave them to what they claim to have given themselves. You will find a people who have shaved the middle of their heads, strike what they have shaved with the sword.
"I advise you ten things| Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly."
Only fighting men can be killed:- Bukhari:-46:717:-
Narated By Ibn Aun : I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.
who say as pretext of suicide bombings that we r oppressed & have no other way to fight enemy they will get some spanking from Angels in hell:- [Quran:4:97] When angels take the souls of those who die in sin against their souls(suicide!!!!!), they say: "In what (plight) Were ye?" They reply: "Weak and oppressed Were we in the earth." They say: "Was not the earth of God spacious enough for you to move yourselves away (From evil)?(so migration should be resorted to)" Such men will find their abode in Hell,- What an evil refuge! -
I know committing suicide sends you directly to hell, but it's always been a question for me that: some of these suicide bombers are very young, they can't even tell the difference between good and evil. They were raised to hate certain people, and they have no idea what they're doing. It's as if they were trained from their childhood to do so. Does this change anything? Because (some of them, just a small percentage) can be considered innocent (innocence of a child) wouldn't the people who raised them have to be blamed?
I know committing suicide sends you directly to hell, but it's always been a question for me that: some of these suicide bombers are very young, they can't even tell the difference between good and evil. They were raised to hate certain people, and they have no idea what they're doing. It's as if they were trained from their childhood to do so. Does this change anything? Because (some of them, just a small percentage) can be considered innocent (innocence of a child) wouldn't the people who raised them have to be blamed?
I think u r wrong in that most of them r too young to understand good & bad. Most of them r old enough.
Allah is NOT so naive not to understand who's responsible for how much of an event.
So InshAllah Allah will not punish if some young mind was misguided & brainwashed by other. The perpretator will be punished. Allah knows best.
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Hey sur! this is Kyle from CF. Anyways, nice post! I am glad to hear that not all Muslims believe that "those who die in Jihad" will be in jannah!
Peace Kyle.
U know there's an unfortunate reality with all of religions that our "scholars" often misguide us, & we don't even bother to cross-check their rulings with religious scriptures. We blindly follow them & mess up things.
nice post! I am glad to hear that not all Muslims believe that "those who die in Jihad" will be in jannah!
That is the actual problem. The Muslims perceive that it is the West, which is out to settle the scores with Muslim world.
These perceptions include the Israeli-Palestinian problem, the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the horror stories of Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib, the vitriolic attacks on the prophet of Islam (pbuh) and the projection in the media about Muslims as violent extremists. Muslims are therefore inclined to believe that they are under attack.
The West on the other hand perceives that somehow Islam, as a religion and as a way of life, encourages or atleast tolerates violence as a means of achieving political and religious objectives. This is in stark contrast to the beliefs of the followers of Islam, who consider themselves as peaceful adherents of a great religion.
To address the issue, we have to dispel the myth that an entire religion can be so simplistically held responsible for the evils of terrorism and violence. The crimes of crusaders can not be attributed to the core philosophy of Christianity, similarly the violence of few Muslims radicals can not be the term of reference for judging the entire Muslims and their religion.
i never heard from any scholars that suicide bombing is a jihad...
who is that?
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
I think u r wrong in that most of them r too young to understand good & bad. Most of them r old enough.
Allah is NOT so naive not to understand who's responsible for how much of an event.
So InshAllah Allah will not punish if some young mind was misguided & brainwashed by other. The perpretator will be punished. Allah knows best.
Peace Kyle.
U know there's an unfortunate reality with all of religions that our "scholars" often misguide us, & we don't even bother to cross-check their rulings with religious scriptures. We blindly follow them & mess up things.
I didn't say most. I was very careful about that. Some of them are 13, 14 years old.
Does this change anything? Because (some of them, just a small percentage) can be considered innocent (innocence of a child) wouldn't the people who raised them have to be blamed?
From various teachings that I have read about in Islam, it is the source that gets the most. e.g. the one who teaches the Quran to someone will get reward for every time that person teaches someone else. Similarly, those who deceit others will have punishment for every person that is deceived as a result. (which is actually quite fair in all honesty)
In which case, it could be said that the children suicide bombers may not be sent to hell and that those who brainwashed them will receive the punishment. However, since intention is a key factor, only God will ever know.
p.s; I do not condone suicide bombing in any way - it is haram under Islam on all accounts.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Al-Qaradawi
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Muslim scholar who has visited London for many years without fuss. To others he's nothing but trouble, a man who uses religion to justify suicide bombings
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One in four younger Muslim Americans say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances
& fatwa from site most frequently quoted on this forum:-We'd like to address a point; all scholars agreed that what the Palestinians carry out in showing resistance against their enemies is not a suicide bombing; rather, it's to be called martyr operation. the late Azharite scholar and the head of the Sunni Egyptian Institutions in Egypt, Sheikh Fu'ad Mukhaymar, states the following:
"The view adopted by the majority of our contemporary Muslim scholars, describing as martyrs the Palestinians who blow themselves up in the occupied land in showing resistance against the aggression, is correct for the following reasons:
A person who blows himself up sacrifices his life for the survival of others. He dies for his homeland and his holy sites.
The person is 1st hadith i quoted also killed himself during war against enemies. So is there a difference b/w him & suicide bomber. Both kill themselves, Both kill civilian non-muslims, Both think they r doing Jihad.
Hey sur! this is Kyle from CF. Anyways, nice post! I am glad to hear that not all Muslims believe that "those who die in Jihad" will be in jannah!
looks like you don't know much about Jihad, it is not about bombing innocent civilians, that's what the west perceives it as, there are many types of Jihad, it's not only going to the battlefield to fight the enemy, there is Jihadun-Nafs which is to fight the desires within yourself and to submit your will to god, well it is actually true though anyone who dies in the Battlefield is a Mujahid and they will enter paradise this is because they are fighting for their own rights and fighting for their country, and i guess this is what the US is really good at doing, but i do not condone this because you have the right to fight for your country.
Bumped for the benefit of any passing Google-reliant anti-Islamic trolls (who are decidedly not any of the regular members, calm down, people).
To those who justify suicide bombing or martydom operations (whichever term is more politically correct) - There seems to be a slight difference between the hadiths, which talk of dying fighting a hoarde of combatants, and suicide bombings (or 'martydom operations'). Difference being bombs + non-combatants = this is so wrong.
But I'm no scholar.
I await the inevitable quote of the line above, with the inevitable reply of 'Evidently'.
To those who justify suicide bombing or martydom operations (whichever term is more politically correct) - There seems to be a slight difference between the hadiths, which talk of dying fighting a hoarde of combatants, and suicide bombings (or 'martydom operations'). Difference being bombs + non-combatants = this is so wrong.
difference is only of change of technology, 1)he used sword, SB use bomb. 2)he also used to kill civilian pagans("pagans standing alone") , SB also kill civilians like in bus, restaurant, etc.
Since we all agree that Islam is against suicide bombings, why dont scholars persuade those notorious groups like Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas or Salafists in Algeria to stop doing this, since all those groups seem to be religious groups.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
Since we all agree that Islam is against suicide bombings, why dont scholars persuade those notorious groups like Muslim Brotherhood,Hamas or Salafists in Algeria to stop doing this, since all those groups seem to be religious groups.
*root of the problem alert*
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
I would not exactly call the "civilians" who pay their government to destroy our nations for innocent civilians.
The only act of terrorism in the form of suicide bombing is the suicide bombs in the second and third world countries where the people have no choice but to live under their regime, but in the west every man has enough money to move out of his country and thereby stop supporting his government economically.
So am I to assume that you are one of his supporters?
Please don't assume things, perhaps somebody says somthing that may lead you to think as such, but maybe you understood it differently than how he intended. Anyone who supports bin laden is not in the right mind, and it's because of him that my country is ...im not gonna start.
About suicide bombing. The first thing I will say is that Allah does not give ANYONE the right to put innocent peoples' lives in danger, in fact allah says in the quran: save one person, it's as if you have saved all of humanity, kill one person and it's as if you have killed all of humanity. I am totally against them...
BUT. Those suicide bomber who destroy themselves and kill opression and not innocent lives, i don't think i can aprove or disaprove. Because if throwing rocks is not making the opression go away, if death is inevitable, why not destroy some opression.
ANY suicide bomber who puts innocent lives to danger, TO HELL WITH them
suicide bombers who are doing it for the sake of getting rid of opression
...im not so sure if i can aprove or not
No I dont support him because what he did harmed his people more than what it did any good for. Though I would not call him a terrorist for killing the same people who in fact are the worlds greatest host for terrorism and the same people who do not even recognize their past as wrong doings.
The only thing Bin Laden is doing is fighting in self-defence and fighting back, he is just giving back to america what they have given to the world for so many centuries. It is only That what he is doing to americans is nothing compared to what americans have done to his people.
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