sis - i really think its got to do with culture.. and with times like this, its like the time of the jahiliyiah (before islam came) and people do this due to pride.. its really sad. plus islam doesn't force marriages...
It's an absolutely shocking crime. Do they really think "the family's honour" has been withheld after this?
The reason why the youngest member of the family was instructed to commit the murder was in the hope that he would receive a less substantial punishment on account of his age. (It's a common technique in honour killings, apparently.)
It's unbelievable that this sort of thing could happen in 21st-century Britain.
Incidentally, just because they were Muslims, there's no reason for anyone to assume this is typical Muslim behaviour. As people have said, it's obviously strictly forbidden in Islam.
its not classed as muslim behaviour
its called 'asian' behaviour
which i guess is automatically then classed as muslim behavoiur
what sickens me to the core of my soul is what happend between the two muslims who were 'at it' what they did is normal kuffar stuff..sleeping with ur gf/bf is about normal as having a chocolate bar 4 these ppl
but what the hell are muslims playing at ? how could they do that...
i wonder what happens to the girl now....they've most likely broken every bone in her body...made her have an abortion..shipped her off to bangladesh to get married to the nearest cousin who doesnt have a whiff of the situation.
i just cant get over this....i hope Allah (swt) helps everyone involved in this situation...they have to be going thru hell..
My heart, so precious,
I won't trade for a hundred thousand souls.
Your one smile takes it for free.Rumi
This is a case of 'two wrongs', if the girl and guy where both muslim and liked each other, the parents should have made them marry each other. Instead of getting them both married of the girl is pregnaunt with extremely tough life to look forward to and not too mention the sin caused by being pregnaunt before marriage, the boy is dead, the girls brothers and father are prison for life and mother of girl nothing in her life now and same with the boys family. Is it any wonder why 'pride' is seen so badly in Islam? If Islam was properly followed none of this would have had the cahnce to start.
I have another question, why is it when a killing of this sort and is done by Muslims, sikhs, hindus etc, its seen as a 'honour killing' and yet we see this type of killing done all the time within christany but never hear the words ''honour killing''.
I have another question, why is it when a killing of this sort and is done by Muslims, sikhs, hindus etc, its seen as a 'honour killing' and yet we see this type of killing done all the time within christany but never hear the words ''honour killing''.
I have noticed that. It's a form of ethnocentric discimrination basically. It's the same thing, and it's wrong whatever you call it.
Yeah. I noticed that Radio Fivelive were saying "a strict Muslim family".
If they were strict Muslims they were clearly a bit deviant. That is not how you deal with the situation.
The thing that hits me hard about this is... OK I accept it is a cultural thing that transends a number of different religions, but Muslims seem to be affected most. I mean a couple of years back I can remember a Kurdish man stabbing his daugher to death (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/3149030.stm ).
..Verily the most honourable of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you.. [The Holy Qur'an, Surah Hujraat (49), verse 13]
Originally Posted by DaNgErOuS MiNdS
I have another question, why is it when a killing of this sort and is done by Muslims, sikhs, hindus etc, its seen as a 'honour killing' and yet we see this type of killing done all the time within christany but never hear the words ''honour killing''.
Well most of all Asians live within a community (including blood relatives as well as friends) and status plays a big part. I don't know what you mean by the term "christany" but I guess you're on about none asians. Well lets say a white caucasian man kills his girlfriend and her lover for 2 timing on him - then that's just plain murder as it's an act of anger with the motive of betrayl. Whilst these honour killings are usually carried out by parents/older brothers upon their young child/ sister/brother/ - with the motive of a clash of ideologies.
Well most of all Asians live within a community (including blood relatives as well as friends) and status plays a big part. I don't know what you mean by the term "christany" but I guess you're on about none asians. Well lets say a white caucasian man kills his girlfriend and her lover for 2 timing on him - then that's just plain murder as it's an act of anger with the motive of betrayl. Whilst these honour killings are usually carried out by parents/older brothers upon their young child/ sister/brother/ - with the motive of a clash of ideologies.
I used 'Christianity'(just noticed I spelt it wrong in my other post) because I couldn't find a better word, I guess none asians sounds better.
The example you gave also has honour involved in it, the media just makes it seem that asians encourage this by labeling it as a honour killing. I dont see the difference between this type of killing and a white caucasian man killing his girlfriend and lover for two timing him, both types of killings have honour and anger in them but one is as you say seen as plain murder.
Obviously no-one kills a person without sacrificing their livelihood (honour) for the hell of it - well unless your George. W. Bush . Anywho, the difference is seen because the "honour killing" is performed 'for the status of ones name in the community'. I hope my point is clear enough, but it's good to see a healthy debate in the forum upon the way the media portrays (words) such acts. At the end of the day, I’d prefer them to water down their use of "Islamic" in "Islamic terrorist", as this is a bigger issue affecting all of us than "honour killings."
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. Anywho, the difference is seen because the "honour killing" is performed 'for the status of ones name in the community'. I hope my point is clear enough, but it's good to see a healthy debate in the forum upon the way the media portrays (words) such acts. At the end of the day, I’d prefer them to water down their use of "Islamic" in "Islamic terrorist", as this is a bigger issue affecting all of us than "honour killings."
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