I have been discussing the subject of using "waseela" while supplicating to Allah (swt) with some Muslims, and have come to know that there are quite different opinions about fact whether the use of "waseela" in duaa is halaal or haraam. Could you please provide me with some information about this subject, some ayaat from the Holy Qur'an or authentic ahaadeeth? With the term "use of waseela" I mean asking via the agency of someone, fx "I ask You (O Allah) to grant me forgiveness via the agency of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him and his household)" or via the agency of other Prophets (Peace be upon them), saints or other pious Muslims.
Praise be to Allaah.
What is meant by tawassul and waseelah is four things:
the kind of tawassul without which faith cannot be complete, which is seeking to reach Allaah (tawassul) by believing in Him and His Messengers, and obeying Him and His Messenger, This is what is meant in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Do your duty to Allaah and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him…” [al-Maa’idah 5:35]
This includes seeking to approach Allaah through His Names and Attributes, or by doing acts of obedience and worship by which one seeks to approach Allaah, and so on.
Seeking to approach Allaah by asking His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to make du’a’ for one during his lifetime, and the believers asking one another to make du’aa’ for one another. This follows on from the first type and is encouraged.
Seeking to approach Allaah by virtue of the status and virtues of some created being, such as saying, “O Allaah, I ask You by virtue of Your Prophet” and so on. This is allowed by some of the ‘ulama’, but this opinion is da’eef (weak). The correct view is that it is definitely haraam, because there can be no tawassul in du’aa’ except by virtue of the Names and Attributes of Allaah.
Tawassul as it is understood by many of the Muslims of later times, which is calling on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and seeking his help (or seeking the help of the dead and so-called awliya’). This is a form of major shirk, because calling on or seeking help from anyone other than Allaah with regard to something that that only Allaah is able to do is a kind of worship, and directing worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah is major shirk. And Allaah knows best.
And I've read more evidence on Tawassul of this form being allowed. Allahu A'lam, I believe it's permitted that's all, since there's too much evidence to say otherwise.
This thread is soo gunna be closed and you know....everybody will come with their own daleel and I'll still be confused, and for everybody reading this....my MSN aint workin
*jumps up and down* about time in Li we had a serious discussion, woo hoo may we keep it up
the blind man asked the Prophet (saw) and the Prophet (saw) was alive which is okily
the second one, is news to my ears lol, ive heard it 1st time, but narrated by al baihaqi and haythami, compared to sahih bukhari, i would choose bukhari because of the more stronger narrations, this is one problem i have seen, like the narrations which confirm it, are from hadiths which are not in the sihah sutta, and then someone like sheikh al albani (rahimallah talaa) would have analysed the hadiths, and said its weak, and then if you say its weak you get called many a names like w_h_b_i or salafi and if you dont accept sheikh al albanis stuff, you will be called a sufi or brelvi, so its them topics which lead to a dispute innay, i dont think we will solve it, when scholars have been arguin on it for time
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
This thread is soo gunna be closed and you know....everybody will come with their own daleel and I'll still be confused, and for everybody reading this....my MSN aint workin
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Just read my posts please in this thread, inshaAllah that'll help you understand ukhti :'). Can you deny the words of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam)? No, I cannot, and that is why I'd rather take what he (salallahu alaihi wasallam) said rather than what some scholar said without any daleel. You may not accept it at first... but then we don't always accept/understand things at first, like polygyny etc. maybe... but Allah knows best and we accept His rulings and commands.
Anyway as I said this is a minor issue and I don't really care about it, but let's not go calling things haram when Allah has allowed it...
Is it tru that none of the companions supplicated to Allah using the prophets status as a means of tawwasul?
Ibn Taymiyah- they understud that a created being can only benefit another by means of his suplication or means of help while alive. Allah loves that we seek nearness to Him by means of believing, righteous actions, sending salaah n salaam upon His prophet, loving him, obeying him n allying ourselves wit him. these are the things Allah loves us to seek nearnessto Him by means of.
*jumps up and down* about time in Li we had a serious discussion, woo hoo may we keep it up
the blind man asked the Prophet (saw) and the Prophet (saw) was alive which is okily
the second one, is news to my ears lol, ive heard it 1st time, but narrated by al baihaqi and haythami, compared to sahih bukhari, i would choose bukhari because of the more stronger narrations, this is one problem i have seen, like the narrations which confirm it, are from hadiths which are not in the sihah sutta, and then someone like sheikh al albani (rahimallah talaa) would have analysed the hadiths, and said its weak, and then if you say its weak you get called many a names like w_h_b_i or salafi and if you dont accept sheikh al albanis stuff, you will be called a sufi or brelvi, so its them topics which lead to a dispute innay, i dont think we will solve it, when scholars have been arguin on it for time
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Yeah bro the problem is here:
This is an explicit, unequivocal text from a prophetic Companion proving the legal validity of tawassul through the dead. The account has been classified as rigorously authenticated (SAHIH) by Baihaqi, Mundhiri, and Haythami."
It has been authenticated by Classical scholars, I'd say Shaykh Albani (RA) got it wrong if he tries to call it weak when great scholars like them said they are authentic .
This is an explicit, unequivocal text from a prophetic Companion proving the legal validity of tawassul through the dead. The account has been classified as rigorously authenticated (SAHIH) by Baihaqi, Mundhiri, and Haythami."
It has been authenticated by Classical scholars, I'd say Shaykh Albani (RA) got it wrong if he tries to call it weak when great scholars like them said they are authentic .
Wassalam.
lol im not sayin any scholar got it wrong, Allah hu alim
thread should be closed now, no more postin
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"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
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