It was mentioned before 'Aisha that Ibn 'Umar attributed the following statement to the Prophet "The dead person is punished in the grave because of the crying and lamentation Of his family." On that, 'Aisha said, "But Allah's Apostle said, 'The dead person is punished for his crimes and sins while his family cry over him then." She added, "And this is similar to the statement of Allah's Apostle when he stood by the (edge of the) well which contained the corpses of the pagans killed at Badr, 'They hear what I say.' She added, "But he said now they know very well what I used to tell them was the truth." 'Aisha then recited: 'You cannot make the dead hear.' (30.52) and 'You cannot make those who are in their Graves, hear you.' (35.22) that is, when they had taken their places in the (Hell) Fire.
i'm really confused. i dont know arabic to look up fath ul bari. pls help me save my faith!
Assalam aleykoum brother sur,
Thank you for your reply.
What do you mean ?
1) in the grave we are dead ?
2) or in the grave we are alive ?
The verse you are talking about is it this one bellow ?
Sourate 30
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
52. So verily thou canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf to hear the call, when they show their backs and turn away.
I do not know if the verse 52 is only about the battle of BADR, because I do not think that dead body can hear anybody( Only Allah SWT knows better ).
Do you really think that dead people they can hear us ? where did you see that in the Quran ?
Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers, I ask Allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us, Ameen.
Wa alaikum as-salaam
I did NOT say "dead can hear".
Rather i said dead canNOT hear nor do ppl in grave. One verse of Quran say "Dead cannot hear" other verse say "ppl in graves cannot hear". If you combine meaning of both, these verses stop us from praying to dead & to non-dead like martyres(shaheeds) etc.
In other words these verses stop us from seeking intercession of anyone except the living one capable of hearing us. Like prophet(pbuh) & later his uncle was asked for intercession & they prayed for rain.
Similarly on Day-of-Judgement when prophet would be alive again, he would intercede for us***. But in the time after prophet's death & before he is resurrected on The-Last-Day we cannot ask for prophet's intercession. Similarly we cannot pray to Ali(r.a) (like shias do) since he is in grave & cannot hear our prayers. Same is true for all sufis,Mary, idols etc ppl often take as intercessors or pray to .
Quran rather tell us that such intercession is a shirk:-
Q:10:18:They worship besides Allah that which neither hurteth them nor profiteth them, and they say: These are our intercessors with Allah. Say: Would ye inform Allah of (something) that He knoweth not in the heavens or in the earth? Praised be He and high exalted above all that ye associate (with Him)!
Q:32:4:.........Ye have not, beside Him, a protecting friend or mediator.(i.e, NO intercession allowed) Will ye not then remember?
Q:46:5: And who is further astray than those who, instead of Allah, pray unto such as hear not their prayer until the Day of Resurrection, and are unconscious of their prayes.
Q:16:20-21:Those unto whom they cry beside Allah created naught, but are themselves created.(They are) dead, not living. And they know not when they will be raised.
***Sahih Bukhari:1:3:98: -Narrated Abu Huraira:
I said: "O Allah's Apostle! Who will be the luckiest person, who will gain your intercession on the Day of Resurrection?" Allah's Apostle said: O Abu Huraira! "I have thought that none will ask me about it before you as I know your longing for the (learning of) Hadiths. The luckiest person who will have my intercession on the Day of Resurrection will be the one who said sincerely
Only alive can intercede:-Bukhari:5:59:358:Narrated Jubair bin Mut'im:
I heard the Prophet reciting Surat-at-Tur in Maghrib prayer, and that was at a time when belief was first planted in my heart. The Prophet while speaking about the war prisoners of Badr, said, "Were Al-Mutim bin Adi aliveandinterceded with me for these filthy people, I would definitely forgive them for his sake." ...........
Prophet will intercede(medite) on Day-of-Judgement:Bukhari:Volume 6, Book 60, Number 3: (Long hadees, so i am not posting, read urself)
Why should i pray to ALLAH in the name of so-&-so when HE is fully capable of hearing me even knows thoughts in my heart & when HE is more merciful than any of prophets/sahabis/sufis/walis/Mary/Jesus etc etc etc.........
Q:67:13-14:And whether ye hide your word or publish it, He certainly has (full) knowledge, of the secrets of (all) hearts. Should He not know,- He that created? and He is the One that understands the finest mysteries (and) is well-acquainted (with them).
One of posters above gave a link that says type of intercession where one prays to ALLAH in/by the name of some pious personality is considered permissible by some.......
Is there any daleel/evidence/permission by Almighty to ask HIM in/by the name of so-&-so, if NOT then that type of intercession has no ground & will be a concoction in religion.
Q:2:255:.........Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? .........
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