I searched the forum for a thread of this nature but I couldn't find one.
I don't know if this belongs in here...but I guess it could be considered a science. In fact, I think it is...
Astrology and horoscopes have made me scratch my head a few times in the past and I've inquired but never really found a proper answer.
I know and believe that horoscopes are a dud. But what about star signs? They say that people of a certain star sign have certain attributes and that they get along better with people of another certain star sign etc. To this day, I have found all of that stuff quite accurate.
Does anyone know if there is any sort of Islamic recognition of this?
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You speak the unspeakable through
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no there is no islamic recognition and star signs and horoscopes and astrology are all linked, infact it is all shirk and astrology is actually a branch or sihr.
Zodiac signs and astrological signs and Sun signs are terms which mean the same as star signs. Astrology signs and planet signs and birth signs are similar terms used by laymen; but these usually refer to Sun signs, which is the term commonly used by astrologers.
Strictly speaking, Signs are areas in space, or areas on the map of space called the horoscope chart (or birth chart) in which the Sun and Planets are positioned at various times.
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Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
no there is no islamic recognition and star signs and horoscopes and astrology are all linked, infact it is all shirk and astrology is actually a branch or sihr.
Yeah I know they are tied together. Thank you
Shirk? What's sihr?
I'm not talking about horoscopes. Just the starsigns...
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
They say that people of a certain star sign have certain attributes and that they get along better with people of another certain star sign etc. To this day, I have found all of that stuff quite accurate.
I think you might find that these things are circumstantial ...
I'm a scorpio, and I am supposed to get on well with taureans. Now, as it happens there are several taureans amongst my friends.
Does that prove the theory?
I think not! What about all those taureans I cannot stand the sight of??!
I am also supposed to be intriguing, mysterious, demanding, lonely, spiteful, vengeful, jealous ... are those not attributes which apply to all of us sometimes, but not to any of us all the time??
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
and yes all of this is shirk and there is no islamic basis to it at all
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
I'm not talking about horoscopes. Just the starsigns...
Shirk refers to "worshipping other than Allah, associating partners with him, giving his characteristics to others beside him, or not believing in his characteristics". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(polytheism)
The equivalent term in Christianity might me idolatry (= giving importance to forces/objects/images/ideas other than God himself)
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
Shirk refers to "worshipping other than Allah, associating partners with him, giving his characteristics to others beside him, or not believing in his characteristics". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(polytheism)
The equivalent term in Christianity might me idolatry (= giving importance to forces/objects/images/ideas other than God himself)
I know what shirk is..LOL. You are so sweet. Thank you
I'm asking what sihr is. Is it magic?
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
Ok, I don't know what just happened but I totally missed like all your posts!!
Sorry guys.
Ok, Glo, I have lived things which show me that they are not just circumstancial. Really, I wish I was totally against this stuff, but I can't help it.
I am a Taurean And well, yes, I know a scorpio when I meet one becuase I can sense this weird understanding. But I thought it was with the opposite gender. I don't know.
I know what sihr and shirk are. Thank you guys. Any proof as to why they are connected to star signs?
"'Cause I hear the whispered words
In your masterpiece beautiful
You speak the unspeakable through
I love you too"
Im sometimes scorpio and sometimes Libra(weighing scale) cause im born between them.
that just broke the whole star sign theory lol
its nonsense....
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
Ok, I don't know what just happened but I totally missed like all your posts!!
Sorry guys.
Ok, Glo, I have lived things which show me that they are not just circumstancial. Really, I wish I was totally against this stuff, but I can't help it.
I am a Taurean And well, yes, I know a scorpio when I meet one becuase I can sense this weird understanding. But I thought it was with the opposite gender. I don't know.
I know what sihr and shirk are. Thank you guys. Any proof as to why they are connected to star signs?
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
I'm a leo according to astrology! Ain't we suppoused to dislike one another's guts? Haha
You know, if I remember correctly, a foreteller hears a truth mixed with one hundred lies from a jinn and tells it forward to the person asking... Maybe that's why astrology sometimes seems accurate... Ah whatever.
“If only I had checked myself”
—
Guy who wrecked himself
True leaders don't create followers...
.... They create new leaders.
I'm a leo according to astrology! Ain't we suppoused to dislike one another's guts? Haha
You know, if I remember correctly, a foreteller hears a truth mixed with one hundred lies from a jinn and tells it forward to the person asking... Maybe that's why astrology sometimes seems accurate... Ah whatever.
There's no foretelling at all, as for knowing things about the person; they don't know anything, except what you tell them basically (verbally or non-verbally). A friend of mine went a few times to one of these weirdos, and he actually thought that they can tell your future, and they know things about you "somehow". I decided that I would go with him at some point to remove that strange idea from his head. Aynway, the "foreteller"/astrologer did not manage to get even one small bit of information about me correct. As someone well educated in psychology of communication, I was not "communicating" (verbally/non-verbally) in any sort of way. For those of you who do not understand the concept of communication, this is very simple and is used all the time by the media to control people, even without the "people in control" seeing the "people being controlled" by them. Common means of this are things such as the common house televisions.
Anyway, he understood this idea once we had this incident with the "foreteller". I also demonstrated to him how easy it is to leech out information directly from someone without them knowing. This does not involve any "special powers" or anything, any human being with some basic understanding of this psychology can practice this with success. Jabir ibn Hayyan actually gave a great amount of information into the study of this psychology. He went several steps ahead into "calculating information about people". A very small part of this chapter also gives an explanation as to how one can calculate if someone is lying; this same principle is used to make lie-detector nowadays. So, you can see what a little bit of knowledge can be used to accomplish.
^ I was referring to an hadith I read lightyears ago. I have attended some more in-depth psychology classes and I see what you're saying. They are all frauds basically, but as I said, I was remembering an hadith.
and people judge me on the number of males on my facebook and the way I am so comfortable with my expression on it.
People judge me on how I look. I don't see myself scratch my face because of that? Haha.. Nah, honestly, you made my friends list shorter. Like, hello! If that ain't an act of evil...
“If only I had checked myself”
—
Guy who wrecked himself
True leaders don't create followers...
.... They create new leaders.
Scientifically speaking, much like the moon has an attraction effect on the earth's water body (sea) thus causing tides, it can be inferred that the stars also have an effect on it (although to a significantly lesser extent).
Since humans are 70% water, is it not reasonable to assume there is a possibility however small of influence from the stars? Since the earth is surrounded by stars and planets, surely there must be some sort of influence?
I don't know the physics to be able to say exactly what the forces acting on us are. Incidentally our galaxy moves in a spiral pattern moving outwards away from the core of the milky way - this means that we are moving OUT of the astrological regions ascribed to our starsigns.
As an aside: I've noticed that the chinese star signs are more accurate than the western star signs.... But I'm not saying that I support any one of them. I like to amuse myself when I get the chance to see how far off they are...
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