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    Infallibility of Imams - Shirk? (OP)


    I'm not sure if there has already been a thread about this subject or not but I haven't seen one.

    I think that most Sunnis treat the Shi'a belief in the infallibility of the imams as shirk because they attribute the absolute truth to these imams just like Allah is described as al-Haqq.

    I was hoping to read a Shi'i's defense of the belief in the infallibility of the imams. I would also welcome any other comments by anyone else.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

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    Wa alaykumus-Salam.

    Yes, some hadtihs are lies, but not those marked as saheeh, as you mentioned before.
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    In times of difficulties don't ever say, "Allah, I have a big problem!", say "Hey problem, I have a big Allah!"

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    Assalam aleykoum,

    Sorry but I am talking about saheeh, You will get news inshallah, you will be surprised.

    I know nothing about the religion, only Allah SWt knows better, but there are lies that are obvious.


    I do not want talk about this here, because we are talking about Infallibility of Imams - Shirk.

    Assalam aleykoum brother.


    I ask Allah SWT to forgive us and to guide us, Ameen.


    PS : do not forget the powerful of SHAYTAN, IBLIS, DIABLO, DIABLE, DEVILE

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    Wa alaykumus-Salam wa rahmatullah.

    No saheeh hadeeth is a lie. I won't be surprised as I've seen similar attempts to discredit great muhadditheen earlier. All failed, and they'll continue to fail, as they're fighting against the truth.
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    In times of difficulties don't ever say, "Allah, I have a big problem!", say "Hey problem, I have a big Allah!"

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    Assalam aleykoum,

    I would like to meet the personn in this world, who is sure he has the truth.

    I truth Muslim, will never say I am in the right path, and I am sure I will go to paradise, or I am well guided.

    I hope we are well guided, what I am sure its not Scholars or Humans , who can guide us, but only Allah SWT.

    I am always looking for the truth everyday, and I pray Allah SWT to guide me to that truth, I am always afrid do you know what ?

    If you say even a lie and you belive it about Allah SWT , you can worship Allah SWT all your life you are lost.

    You can not say to Allah SWT in the judment day, I was following Humans and they most me, you can not use that apologize.

    I ask Alah SWT to forgive us brother and to guide us, Ameen.

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    Saying "I am on the Right path" is one thing, saying "I'll go to Paradise" is a totally different.
    Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    In times of difficulties don't ever say, "Allah, I have a big problem!", say "Hey problem, I have a big Allah!"

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    Peace Mercy And Blessing of Allah be upon all of us.

    Check this video please:

    Site: By Dr Zakir Naik [ May Allah increase his knowledge]

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    Also:

    Surah 41:33

    Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says "I am one of the Muslims." (33)

    Surah 3:64

    Say: "O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say: ye! "Bear witness that we are Muslims (bowing to Allah's will)." (64)


    Surah 3:52

    When Jesus found unbelief on their part, he said: "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the Disciples: "We are Allah's helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims. (52)

    Surah 5:111

    "And behold! I inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger: they said `We have faith and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'." (111)

    Surah 22:78

    And strive in His cause as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline): He has chosen you and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims, both before and in this (Revelation); that the Messenger may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind! So establish regular Prayer give regular Charity, and hold fast to Allah! He is your Protector― the― Best to protect and the Best to help! (78)


    But in front of a shi'a, you should say, yeah we are muslims, but sunni muslims.

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    LOL- CANT BELIEVE SOME MIS- CONCEPTIONS REGARDING SHIA'S

    THE SHIAS DO BELIEVE IN ALLAH, MUHAMMAD saw, QURAN ETC.

    THEY PRAY 3 TIMES BECAUSE THEY COMBINE ZOHAR JUS BEFORE ASAR TIME AND MAGHRIB WITH ESHA.

    THEY DO GIVE ZAKAH
    THEY DO HAJJ,
    THEY DO FAST.
    THEY DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER 'MECCA' IN IRAN OR SOMETHING.
    WITH REGARDS TO INFALLIBILTY OF IMAMS - ITS NOT IMPROTANT.

    RESEARCH & PERFECT UR OWN WAYS - THAT SHOULD EASILY OCCUPY 70/80 YEARS.

    AND DNT BE SO QUICK TO CALL OTHERS KAFIR. IF THESE DIFFERENCES WERE SO EASY TO PUT STRAIGHT THEN THE DIFFERENCES WOULD NEVER HAVE MATERILIASED IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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    Re: Infallibility of Imams - Shirk?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Yusuf -Jamal View Post
    WITH REGARDS TO INFALLIBILTY OF IMAMS - ITS NOT IMPROTANT.
    It's actually very important since it has to do with 'Aqeedah, and since this belief is a deviant and corrupt belief, it is very important to refute it lest it mislead people.
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