Ok this topic has been confusing me.
You know how they say that when you're dead you can feel, hear, and see (if your eyes are open) everything? The only thing you can't do is talk and move and all.
So does this mean if you get shot on your head and heart and all and die you will keep feeling the pain the whole time???
Or when you get blown up you can feel the pain the whole time??
What about those people who take out all the organs after someone dies??? so the person feels all that??
Can you really feel it?
I kno you wouldnt kno coz u would have to be dead but like hadiths or anything?
Everyone has a particular age, when his predestined time is over (Hadrat) Izraeel visits him and takes soul out of his body. This is death.
At the time of death one sees plenty of angels at his right and left sides to the extent of his sight-range. The believer observes the angels of mercy whereas the angels of torment look-on to a disbeliever.. They take the soul of believer with respect and of disbeliever with disdain and hatred.
There are different places where the souls are kept. The souls of virtuous believers have their different places than those of disbelievers and sinful believers. Some souls of Muslims live at their graves, some at sacred well of "Zam Zam"(blessed water), of some in between the earth and the heavens and of some in the 1st sky, second and also upto the seventh heaven and even higher than that.
The impure and wretched souls of unbelievers live in their graves, cremation ground, from 1st layer of the earth to the lowest one and even deeper than the bottom of the earth, after death the soul has a link with the body. If the body is comforted or tormented the soul feels it. Death means separation of the soul from the body. It does not mean that the soul is annihilated. Who believes in perish of soul is a disbeliever and misguided. Grave squeezes believer with affection like a mother who hugs her loving child and squeezes an unbeliever so much so that his ribs and bones get intertwined.
I remember seeing pictures here in LI of exhumed bodies, who showed facial expressions akin to pain and/or fear. Those were presented as proof of the pain and suffering experienced in the grave - which sounds much more like a real physical experience, rather than an experience of the soul as you describe.
At least it would appear to be a 'soul experience' with physical effects - on a body that is long dead and beyond the working of muscles or nerves.
Peace
The Frozen in death look can occour when death is sudden. When death is sudden its usually frightning. Hence the peaceful looking dead people are the ones who died peacefully.
You could be the most generous pious, gentle loving human in the world. If you die from a car crash or during a battle, your face will probably look a bit in pain.
It's not neccesserily that their earthly face is all screwed up from being tortured with pointy fiery sticks in a extra dimensional plane.
Thats not scientific, but ive seen enough dead people to see it.
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it seems that the hereafter section has been reduced in size? I have had this discussion with Bro. Ansar Al' Adl before, and he did a fantastic job answering it (more evidence based and scholarly) basically punishment is of the soul not the body, until the day of resurrection.. perhaps if you rummage through his old posts you might find it... didn't want to reply to you until I'd found the thread, but I need to resign to the fact that after forum crashes it is floating in cyber space some where?
Be that as it may.. the one who created you in the form of a morula, a gastrula a zygote which bares no resemblence to what you are today, can and will find ways to punish those who deserve it..
I suggest you listen to this sura, it might have some of the answers you are looking for
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I was hoping for a medical explanation from you, as to what happens to the physical body after death, and whether this could or could not relate to the punishment of the soul (as discussed in previous posts in this thread)
Thank you.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I would love if anyone can create a thread on journey after the death...and explain it in very detail as it can be...
not that i'm suggesting to make an e-book or something...
wassallam.
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
I was hoping for a medical explanation from you, as to what happens to the physical body after death, and whether this could or could not relate to the punishment of the soul (as discussed in previous posts in this thread)
Thank you.
oh.. I thought what happens to the physical body is obvious?
When you are under anesthesia do you feel anything while being operated on?
I don't think you need a medical opinion for that..
carry that over to the physical body after death.. there are people who cremate themselves all together and are still punished..
Allah knows best how punishment is like beyond our physical world.. further, I have enclosed the sura, if you follow it through to verse 60 or so, you'll realize that we can be created in any form Allah swt wishes..
When you go to sleep at night, are you not sometimes in a state of nightmare that is so horrfying and seems very real to you? Can you not find yourself in tudor society England punished by the Qeen? or in La forêt de Fontaine- bleu enjoying the scene?
Your physical body can go on being grafted to live on in another after your death, even skin can be used for grafting.. a host of things can happen to the physical body.. what happens to the soul however is a matter of Allah swt..
but make no mistake.. there will be punishment!
peace
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The Frozen in death look can occour when death is sudden. When death is sudden its usually frightning. Hence the peaceful looking dead people are the ones who died peacefully.
You could be the most generous pious, gentle loving human in the world. If you die from a car crash or during a battle, your face will probably look a bit in pain.
Not necessarily, there are many situations in which mujahideen have been killed and they be dying with smiles on their faces. Infact, these can even be found on the net - but i'll let you do the research on that.
However, the expression on a face at the time of death isn't sufficient to explain whether the person is successful or not, but it is based on their beliefs and actions. And that is for the Lord of the Worlds to Judge.
Imagine you wake up in your grave, I mean Most Muslims get burried immediately after they have been pronounced dead, you people think NDE 's are true?
Argh! Creepy.
NDE's are the equivalent of being centrifuged at a very high speed.. dizzy with fluid drained from the head.. When that happens people hallucinate, see white lights, tunnels, have delusions that seem very real to them, ask the most brilliant neurosurgeon and they will tell you we know very little about how the brain works.. you can't in fact 'remedy' most of the disasters that occur in the brain, be it 'locked in syndrome' or syringomyelia or Wallenberg's Syndrome etc etc.. that is why they call most of these conditions 'syndrome'... People tend to be arrogant and never want to admit that they simply don't know (that isn't the case for most scientests, at least the ones I have come across) only lay folks who have a 'New scientest' subscription.. heck they have already figured out how we all evolved from monkeys, but they can't find a cure for the common cold.. be that as it may
I know people in general want a sliver of a chance to know what happens after death.. but finding out always comes with a very high price.. one must remain silent :X
People get one chance at life.. no one gets to take a peak at the exam before they've gone through it.. no one gets good results unless they've earned it.. No one gets to protest the questions are unfair, you must reason through it..
there are no short cuts, as far as I know, not in every day living and not when it comes to the life to come.. We must resign ourselves to the second verse of suret Al Baqara.. that is what it means to be a believer..
Im not talkin bout the PUNISHMENT in the grave. i kno u gotta feel that no matter wut. but im talkin bout like say someone got shot ina head and dies and falls ina biiig deeep well and hits his head on the well and gets severely injured...did he feel al that even when the bullet has killed him first?
In a nutshell the answer is Nope. he's dead and so cant feel the pain.
Heh...3 pages to get to that!
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Ok this topic has been confusing me.
You know how they say that when you're dead you can feel, hear, and see (if your eyes are open) everything? The only thing you can't do is talk and move and all.
So does this mean if you get shot on your head and heart and all and die you will keep feeling the pain the whole time???
Or when you get blown up you can feel the pain the whole time??
What about those people who take out all the organs after someone dies??? so the person feels all that??
Can you really feel it?
I kno you wouldnt kno coz u would have to be dead but like hadiths or anything?
Jazakallah khair
Salam sis,
I think I heard in a hadith once [or was it in a Scholarly explanation?] that when a person dies and if someone physically assaults the dead body [like kicks it, etc] then the deceased feels the same as it would have done when it was alive.
Some say that organ donation will not be allowed based on this view...
In another Sahih Hadith narrated by Ibn Hanbal, Hakim and Tabarani, Nabi Muhammad (s) saw a person sitting on a qabr and told him: "Do not harm the person in the qabr and he will not harm you."(la tu'zi sahib al-Qabri wala yu'zeek).
The `Ulama of Hadith explained that this shows that the dead are affected by what people do at their Qubur. This Hadith also shows that the dead feel what happens on the top of their graves. Otherwise, why not sit on a Qabr, if the dead does not feel anything?
Therefore one should not harm or destroy Qubur. On the other hand showing respect at a qabr and conveying your love to the inhabitant will also be felt by him and result in like action being returned to you That is why Muslims show outward respect to the Graves of those who they are ordered by Allah (swt) to love, i.e. The Prophets and The Saliheen (saints of Allah).
I think I heard in a hadith once [or was it in a Scholarly explanation?] that when a person dies and if someone physically assaults the dead body [like kicks it, etc] then the deceased feels the same as it would have done when it was alive.
Some say that organ donation will not be allowed based on this view...
In another Sahih Hadith narrated by Ibn Hanbal, Hakim and Tabarani, Nabi Muhammad (s) saw a person sitting on a qabr and told him: "Do not harm the person in the qabr and he will not harm you."(la tu'zi sahib al-Qabri wala yu'zeek).
The `Ulama of Hadith explained that this shows that the dead are affected by what people do at their Qubur. This Hadith also shows that the dead feel what happens on the top of their graves. Otherwise, why not sit on a Qabr, if the dead does not feel anything?
Therefore one should not harm or destroy Qubur. On the other hand showing respect at a qabr and conveying your love to the inhabitant will also be felt by him and result in like action being returned to you That is why Muslims show outward respect to the Graves of those who they are ordered by Allah (swt) to love, i.e. The Prophets and The Saliheen (saints of Allah).
Hope that helps
Salaam
Why are all website links turning censored?????sorry it didnt work (the link)
Wooow
Jazakallah khair for your response!
Omg this is like so messed up then
So all the people in india or whatever that people burn actually feel the fire???*shivers*
And those people that get there organs taken out carelessly are feeling that?
and all the terrorists (NOT MUSLIMS!) feel the bomb when it breaks there bodies in pieces???
woow.
Jazakallah khair brother
WaSalaam
p.s. i hope non of us die ina paainful way lika bullet ina head or non muslims blowin us up! (@ war)
Why are all website links turning censored?????sorry it didnt work (the link)
Wooow
Jazakallah khair for your response!
Your wellcome sis
Omg this is like so messed up then
So all the people in india or whatever that people burn actually feel the fire???*shivers*
And those people that get there organs taken out carelessly are feeling that?
and all the terrorists (NOT MUSLIMS!) feel the bomb when it breaks there bodies in pieces???
woow.
Jazakallah khair brother
WaSalaam
p.s. i hope non of us die ina paainful way lika bullet ina head or non muslims blowin us up! (@ war)
Dying in a painfull way is not so bad for Muslims actually, because the more the pain, the more sins the Muslim gets forgiven?
It is said that the reason why a Muslim that dies by burning in fire, drowning or having a house fall on him, becomes a shaheed [martyr] is because the pain he feels gets all his sins forgiven.
There is a hadith that says that a Muslim gets some of his sins forgiven even if he suffers a pin prick [or something like that].
We should be ready to patiently bear it though :scared:
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