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Erm its a good thing,

I would recommend having a period after the debate for open questions and answers for people to ask each debater what they want and the debater provides and answer.

With regards to the point brought forth by Al Mu'mina,
That wouldnt be a problem, we would stick the debate on a topic and off topic question, as zakir naiks brother says, will not be entertained.

And if they are abouot Islam then they can be asked in a different thread and if they are about Christianity or something another thread with that question can be made and people have a dicussion over.

I dont see anything wrong with such a thing.

The debaters will be picked, and if they agree, there should be rules put in place such as, a time table on who goes firstand how long till the rebuttal has to be placed in and so on, if the debater cannot work on that schedule then he should not accept, if he does and fails to turn up then maybe a warning or something and not allowed to accept any debates for a month or something like that.

I think it would be cool.
 
I'm not sure Al-Mu'minah.

The way I have seen it work goes something like this:
Say I propose a debate on ... say ... the authenticity of the Qur'an :X (I think the topic would have to be specified quite clearly). Somebody else agrees to debate this with me.

I make my first argument, my 'opponent' replies ... and so on.
Perhaps there could be a limit to how many exchanges there should be?

Rather than having a public sparring session, this exchange could be done in private, then put past the mods and posted up as a 'sticky' - so other members don't read it as it's typed, but only read the finished product.
I think participants would have to stick to firm rules on mutual respect and conduct.

Peace.
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
In addition to my first post, may I add that, some member’s think they have the Islamic knowledge to debate whereas in reality they do not. I have noticed some members explain Islam according to their own desires and reasoning’s, may Allah safe us from this. They themselves mislead the one trying to seek knowledge. So…after all I don’t really thing it’s a good idea.

Allah knows best.
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But sis, people do that on the forum anyhow, then they get their post deleted right?

In a debate it would be more closesly watched, so it would actually be safer than jus random posts on the forum.
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
In addition to my first post, may I add that, some member’s think they have the Islamic knowledge to debate whereas in reality they do not. I have noticed some members explain Islam according to their own desires and reasoning’s, may Allah safe us from this. They themselves mislead the one trying to seek knowledge. So…after all I don’t really thing it’s a good idea.

Allah knows best.
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:salamext:

in my honest opinion this only gives credit to the 1-1 debate.
This way we can ensure someone with a lot of "ILM" such as ansar participates in the debate and the dawa will be better inshaAllah.


:wasalamex
 
glo said:
I'm not sure Al-Mu'minah.

The way I have seen it work goes something like this:
Say I propose a debate on ... say ... the authenticity of the Qur'an :X (I think the topic would have to be specified quite clearly). Somebody else agrees to debate this with me.

I make my first argument, my 'opponent' replies ... and so on.
Perhaps there could be a limit to how many exchanges there should be?

Rather than having a public sparring session, this exchange could be done in private, then put past the mods and posted up as a 'sticky' - so other members don't read it as it's typed, but only read the finished product.
I think participants would have to stick to firm rules on mutual respect and conduct.

Peace.
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Wow.... ok, i'm convinced. You've got me hooked.:shade:
 
IsaAbdullah:

The debaters will be picked, and if they agree, there should be rules put in place such as, a time table on who goes firstand how long till the rebuttal has to be placed in and so on, if the debater cannot work on that schedule then he should not accept, if he does and fails to turn up then maybe a warning or something and not allowed to accept any debates for a month or something like that.
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Some interestiong points. There are few people that are knowledgeable to certian degree in this forum. They have other responsibilities to take care of restricting them to rules and regulations is not suitable.

We have the compative religion section for deabtes why can't we stick to that? Ok so people go off topic and one get annoyed with all the non-stop questions and answers given but that is for the questioner/or the one that brought the subject up to focus on an individual and respond to others later.
 
*tries to bargain*

Al-Mu'minah said:
Some interestiong points. There are few people that are knowledgeable to certian degree in this forum. They have other responsibilities to take care of restricting them to rules and regulations is not suitable.
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Sister...Sister, if those knowledgeable people dont have time then they can say, I dont got time. And if that means we have to wait 2 years before a knowledgeable person has time then, is there any harm?


Al-Mu'minah said:
We have the compative religion section for deabtes why can't we stick to that? Ok so people go off topic and one get annoyed with all the non-stop questions and answers given but that is for the questioner/or the one that brought the subject up to focus on an individual and respond to others later.
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Because in the comperative religion section, the threads get tangled up, for example:

Someone makes a point, you come back to that point after an hour, and everyone has asked other questions to that person so that person cannot be approached with regards to that point.

Or

You ask someone something and they can just avoid it and say, 'I never saw that post' just because they are trying to get away. In a direct debate such thing would not be possible since the debater will be focoused on one person.

Also, how many times sister have you wanted to make a good point, and get it across, but felt, theres not much point the thread has moved on anyway.

Many other reason along the same line.
 
glo:

The way I have seen it work goes something like this:
Say I propose a debate on ... say ... the authenticity of the Qur'an :X (I think the topic would have to be specified quite clearly). Somebody else agrees to debate this with me.
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Is not that what already happens through out the forum?


Rather than having a public sparring session, this exchange could be done in private, then put past the mods and posted up as a 'sticky' - so other members don't read it as it's typed, but only read the finished product.
I think participants would have to stick to firm rules on mutual respect and conduct.
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I disagree. The purpose of this forum is to call people to Islam, to clear up misconceptions etc If you restrict members from seeing the debate whilst it is at hand and allow them to read the finished product- members are not going to be bothered to read it. I am sure you know that with debates, you are in a learning process and the key to learning is asking questions- how will that work if members only see the finished debate
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
I disagree. The purpose of this forum is to call people to Islam, to clear up misconceptions etc If you restrict members from seeing the debate whilst it is at hand and allow them to read the finished product- members are not going to be bothered to read it. I am sure you know that with debates, you are in a learning process and the key to learning is asking questions- how will that work if members only see the finished debate
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You have a question and answer at the end.

Not that am a fan of closed closet debates.
 
A forum I belong to has a debating group. How we do it is with 2 threads. The first thread is an introduction to a debate subject. Then we are open to volunteers who wish to debate of the pro side. After several people volunteer, we have an informal vote as to who will represent the pro side. We then do the same for the con side.

When a subject and 2 debaters are selected. A new thread is started with the title. DEBATE;(subject) A non participant starts that thread and lists the rules specificaly that after the OP no one will post except for the selected debaters, the pro debater will make the opening premise, posts alternate. We usually let each debate run until either one person concedes or there no reply within 48 hours, that is considered conceding or each debater makes 100 posts. The group mods delete any post in the thread by a non-debater.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
*tries to bargain*




Sister...Sister, if those knowledgeable people dont have time then they can say, I dont got time. And if that means we have to wait 2 years before a knowledgeable person has time then, is there any harm?




Because in the comperative religion section, the threads get tangled up, for example:

Someone makes a point, you come back to that point after an hour, and everyone has asked other questions to that person so that person cannot be approached with regards to that point.

Or

You ask someone something and they can just avoid it and say, 'I never saw that post' just because they are trying to get away. In a direct debate such thing would not be possible since the debater will be focoused on one person.

Also, how many times sister have you wanted to make a good point, and get it across, but felt, theres not much point the thread has moved on anyway.

Many other reason along the same line.
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Masha Allah yes those are good points and i do agree with them.

I have stasted my opinions I have exhausted everyone with my negative feedbacks. :X
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
Masha Allah yes those are good points and i do agree with them.

I have stasted my opinions I have exhausted everyone with my negative feedbacks. :X
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Sister, we always need someone be objective rite? and your doing it fine, alot of us get carried away in the heat of the moment so its nice to have someone like you to make us stop and think.
 
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I say that it should atleast be tried, like on a trial basis, and see how it goes.


Quran 16:125 -
"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."
 
ummmmm.....
that thread was called "is mohammad a true prophet?" which seems a loaded question to begin with. obviously he is here to promote the "no" view. ithought it was against forum rules to promote a religion other than islam.
it is different if people ask someone of another religion to explain it or answer questions about it.
i see these debates as useless - both sides already know where they stand. so what is the point?
well, i'm probably the only one - maybe it's because i don't belong to either religion that i "don't get it".
anyway, my 2 cents.
 
IsaAbdullah said:
snake, do you learn from debates?
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good question. truthfully - i don't know. i'm not sure i ever really read one, even. maybe that's why i don't get it.
what is to be learned from this one? for a muslim, it is not even a question and for a christian, obviously, he wasn't. what can be learned by either side - each side already knows the truth.
but if the consensus is that it is a learning thing - go for it.
it's not the first time i've been a minority of one.
i think i'll go hide now. :hiding:
 
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I think informal open discussions are much better because everyone can contribute, it doesn't monopolize the discussions, you are not confined to time limits, you don't have to spend time negotiating rules, you have the option of leaving a discussion with a closeminded individual, you are not under pressure to represent anyone, it is not an "us" vs. "them" ego-slugfest, etc. Also, in a formal debate, the debator would probably get swarmed with member feedback and points - why not just have those members post the points themselves?

:w:
 

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