100% proof that jesus is NOT god

[جوري]

So muslim prophet Muhammed is immortal and he is with us forever?
The one from this verse is Hole Spirit who arrives 50 days later.

His message certainly will!
There was no allusion as to immortality!
one can just as easily ask.. how does a spirit testify of Jesus?
Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me!

The conundrum in the process shall always remain though, you seem to perceive the holy spirit as a separate being here, yet on other posts collectively assert that they are all one.. So Jesus came in form of holy spirit, to tell me Mary that he shall impregnate her with himself, he then goes inside her to be formed and born like man.. then dies and tells people that he shall come back again in the form of the 'comforter' and speak and testify of himself?...

I'll leave it for folks to draw their own conclusions!

peace

 

[ummsara1108]

wow reading your post purest, i'm not a muslim but have learnd lots, that touched me, well put.

 

[wilberhum]

glad to see this thread is veeerrry peaceful.... anyway... u either take the PROOF or leave it... we give u a lot of proof and yet u regret it.. athiest... dunt believe anything but bad.. agnostics.. i dunt even care what they believe... jews..hmm...cristians...just flip the words around... muslims.. believe what they had since the beginning never changing a word cuz they dunt CARE bout being famous like all those other dudes... and they dunt make websites ONLY FOR MAKING FUN OF OTHER RELIGIONS... muslims say what allah said in the quran ' lakum deenukum waliyadeen....' back on topic...


P.S. Hana_Aku... i kno helen keller.. she is that one lady who is deaf and blind and yet did something.. i forget what it was.. i learned bout her in like the 3rd grade...

You give proof a bad name. :uuh:

 

[Keltoi]

The Holy Spirit is indeed the Comforter mentioned by Christ, any suggestion otherwise is baseless and without merit. The disciples and the other early church leaders knew very well what was meant by that statement, and it had nothing to do with a future "prophet".

 

[جوري]

that is your subjective opinion and you may certainly repeat it enough so that it is in concert with your beliefs.. the same way you peddle three gods as one!

peace!

 

[Keltoi]

that is your subjective opinion and you may certainly repeat it enough so that it is in concert with your beliefs.. the same way you peddle three gods as one!

peace!

Interesting how quickly some Muslims will latch on to a particular verse in the Bible because it agrees with something they wish to believe...then conveniently consider everything else "corrupted". Interesting logic there.

 

[جوري]

Interesting how quickly some Muslims will latch on to a particular verse in the Bible because it agrees with something they wish to believe...then conveniently consider everything else "corrupted". Interesting logic there.

I have an Aramaic/Arabic bible here which has positively nothing to do with the king James version you use in your hotels.. It is quite a conundrum to me how Jesus evolved from an impoverished middle eastern messenger with a simple equest to worship the one God, to this self-aggrandizing WASP westerners want him to be.. is it any wonder that here I come from a coptic/Jewish ancestry that has in its majority converted to Islam with the exception of one great aunt who remained a Jew though she still married a Muslim?

It makes perfect sense to us middle easterners what it is that Jesus (p) said and meant using the original bible.. those who want to keep their baggage and delusions may certainly do so, perhaps if a fool persists in his folly he'll become a wise man!


cheers

 

[truemuslim]

You give proof a bad name. :uuh:

wow...


now what in the HELL (because u seem to kno alot about that place) do U think proof means?? bringing god and making him do whatever U want until u believe in him??? or us praying allah to come over to earth and show himself to u?? ... hmm... u must really ask for alot then....

umm... u might get to meet him...betta get ur answers ready...

 

[guyabano]

I proved that Jesus is not God using the holy Qur'an. What do you have to say about that?

Hello,

for people, who don't believe in the Quaran, these words have no value.
I'm sorry for that.

Peace

 

[*Hana*]

The Holy Spirit is indeed the Comforter mentioned by Christ, any suggestion otherwise is baseless and without merit. The disciples and the other early church leaders knew very well what was meant by that statement, and it had nothing to do with a future "prophet".

Based on what? How did they know the "other" comforter would mean resending a previous one?

When did the Holy Spirit come and testify of Jesus?

If you could provide those verses I would appreciate it, as I don't recall ever reading them.

Thanks!

Hana

 

[Keltoi]

I have an Aramaic/Arabic bible here which has positively nothing to do with the king James version you use in your hotels.. It is quite a conundrum to me how Jesus evolved from an impoverished middle eastern messenger with a simple equest to worship the one God, to this self-aggrandizing WASP westerners want him to be.. is it any wonder that here I come from a coptic/Jewish ancestry that has in its majority converted to Islam with the exception of one great aunt who remained a Jew though she still married a Muslim?

It makes perfect sense to us middle easterners what it is that Jesus (p) said and meant using the original bible.. those who want to keep their baggage and delusions may certainly do so, perhaps if a fool persists in his folly he'll become a wise man!


cheers

I don't use the King James, too many "thee's" and "thou's"

As for the rest of it, it was a long way of saying absolutely nothing. No offense.

 

[Keltoi]

Based on what? How did they know the "other" comforter would mean resending a previous one?

When did the Holy Spirit come and testify of Jesus?

If you could provide those verses I would appreciate it, as I don't recall ever reading them.

Thanks!

Hana

(Luke 3:21-22 NASB) Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.

(John 14:26 NASB) But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Mark 13:11 NASB) And when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not be anxious beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit.

(1 Cor 6:19 NASB) Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

(Eph 1:13 NASB) In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.


These are only a few of the verses that deal with the Holy Spirit. In was in this context that the disciples understood what Christ was referring to when He spoke of the "Comforter" who will be with them.

 

[YusufNoor]

(Luke 3:21-22 NASB) Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.

(John 14:26 NASB) But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Mark 13:11 NASB) And when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not be anxious beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit.

(1 Cor 6:19 NASB) Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

(Eph 1:13 NASB) In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise.


These are only a few of the verses that deal with the Holy Spirit. In was in this context that the disciples understood what Christ was referring to when He spoke of the "Comforter" who will be with them.

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

Greeting Keltoi,

your post raises the following question(s):

just how many "Holy Spirits" are there?

you have the one speaking at Jesus' baptism,and another telling him what to say when arrested and YET ANOTHER promised to come?

from a non Christian view that seems like more than one!

Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia
I have an Aramaic/Arabic bible here which has positively nothing to do with the king James version you use in your hotels.. It is quite a conundrum to me how Jesus evolved from an impoverished middle eastern messenger with a simple equest to worship the one God, to this self-aggrandizing WASP westerners want him to be.. is it any wonder that here I come from a coptic/Jewish ancestry that has in its majority converted to Islam with the exception of one great aunt who remained a Jew though she still married a Muslim?

Assalamu Alaykum Sister,

i just read an interesting view last night that says that the word in question Periklytos is NOT a Greek word but a Greek corruption of an Aramaic word. is this something you can determine?

here's the Article:

http://answering-islam.com/aramaic_bible.htm

i was hopping around and haven't read the complete website, so i hope there is nothing offensive to Islam on there!

Originally Posted by mohsen1985
I proved that Jesus is not God using the holy Qur'an. What do you have to say about that?

Aye, for a Muslim, that's the BEST proof!

Originally Posted by Keltoi
Interesting how quickly some Muslims will latch on to a particular verse in the Bible because it agrees with something they wish to believe...then conveniently consider everything else "corrupted". Interesting logic there.

somthing similar to your above post, eh?

 

[Amadeus85]

The Holy Spirit is indeed the Comforter mentioned by Christ, any suggestion otherwise is baseless and without merit. The disciples and the other early church leaders knew very well what was meant by that statement, and it had nothing to do with a future "prophet".

Here are others proofs which show that these verses tell about Spirit not a human being (for example Muhammed).

"And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Comforter, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you."

"You know him"- and did Jesus disciples know Muhammed ? No.
"He dwells in you, and will be in you". How can Muhammed be in them and dwells with them?
This cannot be said about human being such as Muhammed.
Muslims just take the verse out of context.

 

[mohsen1985]

It it is illogical to use the unproven as proof. :uuh:
Your belief that the Quran is proof is nothing more that a belief.

Not really, it's a proven fact, I just stated some of the basic/common facts. You can see the proofs in any Islamic studies book.

 

[mohsen1985]

Hello,

for people, who don't believe in the Quaran, these words have no value.
I'm sorry for that.

Peace

Well, as I recall someone said we can't use the Bible to prove this, because we say it's corrupted, so I used the holy Qur'an. I can make a more detailed post about the proofs of the Qur'an being God's words and that it hasn't been corrupted. It's not a matter of believing, it's comparing the facts and making a decision about it.

 

[Keltoi]

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

Greeting Keltoi,

your post raises the following question(s):

just how many "Holy Spirits" are there?

you have the one speaking at Jesus' baptism,and another telling him what to say when arrested and YET ANOTHER promised to come?

from a non Christian view that seems like more than one!



Assalamu Alaykum Sister,

i just read an interesting view last night that says that the word in question Periklytos is NOT a Greek word but a Greek corruption of an Aramaic word. is this something you can determine?

here's the Article:

http://answering-islam.com/aramaic_bible.htm

i was hopping around and haven't read the complete website, so i hope there is nothing offensive to Islam on there!



Aye, for a Muslim, that's the BEST proof!



somthing similar to your above post, eh?

I don't see how you come away with the idea that those verse point to more than one Holy Spirit...they are speaking about the one and only Spirit of God. What Christ was addressing was the idea that His leaving would dishearten His disciples, which is why He reminded them of the Holy Spirit which would always be with them.

As for the language of these verses, they were all written in Greek. As to whether that particular word was a corruption of an Aramaic word...I have my doubts, as Greek was the language of the NT and generally the language of writing during this time period.

 

[*Hana*]

(Luke 3:21-22 NASB)

(John 14:26 NASB)

Mark 13:11 NASB)

(1 Cor 6:19 NASB)

(Eph 1:13 NASB)

These are only a few of the verses that deal with the Holy Spirit. In was in this context that the disciples understood what Christ was referring to when He spoke of the "Comforter" who will be with them.

Peace Keltoi:

Thanks for that! I'm at work right now so I'll look them up when I get home and read them in more detail.

Peace,
Hana

 

[truemuslim]

we proved jesus isnt god using BOTH books

 

[جوري]

I don't use the King James, too many "thee's" and "thou's"

As for the rest of it, it was a long way of saying absolutely nothing. No offense.

How can I be offended by someone so confused?
cheers