101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible

[Whatsthepoint]

The point is that you can include, exclude, combine or split with equal validity in a multitude of ways. Had the Qur'an said 4,5 or 6 (or 8), point to the right list and it would seem equally 'miraculous' if you thought that particular analysis was the only one!

That is true. And if there weren't any study with the same numbers, the verse would be considered spiritual only. That's how religions work, IMO.

 

[Omari]

the word was mistranslated, corrupted as in changed or revised. And you can't argue with the fact that the bible has been changed because I can name over 100 bibles, I think somone already did, but anyway, the quran was right ofcourse, about the bible being corrupted. I don't understand how this is uncomfortable for muslims. do explain

Peace brother,
Omari

 

[Whatsthepoint]

the word was mistranslated, corrupted as in changed or revised. And you can't argue with the fact that the bible has been changed because I can name over 100 bibles, I think somone already did, but anyway, the quran was right ofcourse, about the bible being corrupted. I don't understand how this is uncomfortable for muslims. do explain

Peace brother,
Omari

Some Christians admit to the contradictions, some don't and seek refutations (which I am sure exist for each of the 101 clear contradictions in the Bible).
I believe the Bible was not sent from the above so it is not immune to human mistake. It might have been changed, it might have not, I'm sure most mistakes and contradictions have existed since the time the Bible was first written.

There's only one Bible actually, but there are numerous translations in virtually every language there is, many of them having multiple translations.

 

[ricardo_sousa]

The majority of Christians this days consider Bible as a reference, and not as "the truth"... A Sacred Book to help people in their lifes, with stories that must be seen as "metaphors" and not "absolute truths". So discuss the "errors in Bible" has no big interest.

By the way, this capacity of question the "truth of Bible histories" is what let the western civilization rise above the others. And for me that´s the best way of looking to religion: not as the "absolute truth", but as a guidance that can be questioned.

 

[Omari]

yes, and I apologise I didn't read that you wree Agnostic, that question was meant for a christian, or catholic.

 

[guyabano]

yes, and I apologise I didn't read that you wree Agnostic, that question was meant for a christian, or catholic.

I can see, you are still young. May you have a good future and always find, what you are looking for. But please. take also my advice, that there are different-thinking people who are also looking for their path. Debating about the true God and true book of faith, Quaran, Bible..etc is useless. Wars have been fought for this, and what did it bring? Nothing.
So, trying to find Contradictions or Errors in the Bible, or even in the Quaran is a Waste of time.
I just give you an example: Me, I have a neutral look on Quaran and Bible. For me, they are just funny farytale books worth of a reading and then have a good chuckle about so much Phantasy. My wife believes deeply in Jesus Christ 'the God' and nothing will ever make her change opinion. You could argue hours and hours with her, but you will never persuade her (trust me, I know it). It's her deep belief. So, does it mean, she's not worth for Paradise, just because she's a non-muslim?
And for my case, well, I can say, I never did something bad in my life. I'm a good citizen, so, will God (if he exist) forgive me, and let me to Paradise too?
If not, then God would be cruel, no? I lead my life, sinless, always faithful to my wife, and yet, I get punished. This makes a non-sense for me.

 

[جوري]

I can't find the note...
Anyway, this reminds me on the Bible science, where they too say one day signifies an aeon or any long definite amount of time found elswhere in the Bible.
It is matter of interpretation, I guess, although I think the author of the Quran thought the earth was created in 6-8 days, not aeons.


Well, a good explanation, similar to that of the Catholics who justify Mary's perpetual virginity despite the verse saying "And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS" (Mt 1:25).
Aynway, I am not a scholar, I do not speak Arabic, but my common sense tells me then Earth had to be created, done in order for the mountains to be set on it...

Why thank you! Sorry to disappoint you.

I didn't read your justification, simply because I don't understand its relevance? this tafisr I have given is one of the highest regarded and accepted, and is done by a former Jew.. Leopold weiss
http://www.amazon.com/Message-Quran...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200250307&sr=8-1

your argument however has to do with the number of days being 8 from an article your have quoted as I am to assume you neither read Arabic nor have done the search yourself?
and to that I ask.. can you personally distinguish the difference between the word 'wa' and the word 'thouma' ?
until you do, all scholars will accept it the way it was it is explained, and the way it is understood by Arabic speakers, not the way it is presented by 'answering Islam' or some other internet farce because it appeals to simple minds.. it is simply inadmissible oreven regarded as sound argument!

cheers

 

[YusufNoor]

Some Christians admit to the contradictions, some don't and seek refutations (which I am sure exist for each of the 101 clear contradictions in the Bible).
I believe the Bible was not sent from the above so it is not immune to human mistake. It might have been changed, it might have not, I'm sure most mistakes and contradictions have existed since the time the Bible was first written.

There's only one Bible actually, but there are numerous translations in virtually every language there is, many of them having multiple translations.

ACTUALLY, that's NOT true! Protestant and Catholic Bibles have a different number of books, and within some of the books that ARE accepted, there are verses that no-one can agree on and believe were "added" later. all the early manuscripts vary; that being said, not my kind of thread...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I didn't read your justification, simply because I don't understand its relevance? this tafisr I have given is one of the highest regarded and accepted, and is done by a former Jew.. Leopold weiss
http://www.amazon.com/Message-Quran...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200250307&sr=8-1

your argument however has to do with the number of days being 8 from an article your have quoted as I am to assume you neither read Arabic nor have done the search yourself?
and to that I ask.. can you personally distinguish the difference between the word 'wa' and the word 'thouma' ?
until you do, all scholars will accept it the way it was it is explained, and the way it is understood by Arabic speakers, not the way it is presented by 'answering Islam' or some other internet farce because it appeals to simple minds.. it is simply inadmissible oreven regarded as sound argument!

cheers

I don't read nor write Arabic as I have stated in my reply.
I have done some search myself and the fact that only 10 out of 13 english translations of the Quran, including the literal translation, say the Earth was created in two days, not aeons, is d**n strange.
The tasfir says there's an note about the aeons, but there wasn't any in the text you pasted.
And the evrse ten says it took two days to complete the Earth, the verse 11 says he set the mountains on the Earth. Could it be done simultaniously? Sure it could, although God could have made a simpler explanation. As I have already said in my reply, I do not understand Arabic, so I won't make conclusions here..

 

[جوري]

I don't read nor write Arabic as I have stated in my reply.

that is an honest and important admission!

I have done some search myself and the fact that only 10 out of 13 english translations of the Quran, including the literal translation, say the Earth was created in two days, not aeons, is d**n strange.

Many verses in the Quran which I have already posted here reference a day by our measure not equaling to that of God's measure..
can be found in these suras

here is one

22:47 This verse talks about the unbelievers wanting God to hasten on their punishment. Then it says "a day in the sight of your lord is like a 1000 years of your reckoning.

here is two

• 32:5 In the end will all affairs go up to Him in a day equal to 1000 years of your reckoning.

• here is three

• 70:4 The angels and the spirit ascend to Him in a day equal to 50,000 years of your reckoning.

• I think there can be no doubt as to what a 'day' means in the Quran.. what do you think?
  

• The tasfir says there's an note about the aeons, but there wasn't any in the text you pasted.

• see above cited verses

And the evrse ten says it took two days to complete the Earth, the verse 11 says he set the mountains on the Earth. Could it be done simultaniously? Sure it could, although God could have made a simpler explanation. As I have already said in my reply, I do not understand Arabic, so I won't make conclusions here..

I don't think it is as difficult as you are making it out to be, although it takes years to decipher and decrypt the miracles of the Quran and people dedicate a life time to it.
my original gripe so to speak was with your poor addition skills to which I asked if you can tell the difference between 'wa' and 'thouma' therein lies the answer.. and have given you a tafisr of the entire sura by a very well respected scholar.. I also can't take credit for the 46 reviews in amazon which are more often than not make islamic text the subject of ridicule and derision than an honest assessment. The very first reviewer who is australian and I assume a non-muslim just browsing through his other reviews has given quite a clear count in what lacks in other transliteration that is made more clear in this one..

I personally couldn't care at all for reviews and transliteration since Arabic is my mother tongue.. if you are ready to debate on that level then don't hesitate in doing so, nothing would give me greater pleasure..


cheers

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I think there can be no doubt as to what a 'day' means in the Quran.. what do you think?

I think the author of the Quran actually though the world was created in 6-8 days. The verse about the relativity of time for God merely ilustrate his strenght, independence etc. Now, this comes useful when ancient scriptures try to be in contact with the modern science, Christian, Msulims and Jews use it.
Of course, there's the option of the Quran actually being the Word of God but IMHO God could have done in a simpler way. I know, you probably think it couldn't have been done it better, but that's how people act, subjectively, biased...

my original gripe so to speak was with your poor addition skills to which I asked if you can tell the difference between 'wa' and 'thouma' therein lies the answer.. and have given you a tafisr of the entire sura by a very well respected scholar..

Yes, I read it and spotted the part about a word signifying simoultanous events, but it didn't quite convince me. Firstly, the erath had to be done in order to set mountains on it etc (although not necessarily...) and because it could have been written in a clearer way.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I personally couldn't care at all for reviews and transliteration since Arabic is my mother tongue.. if you are ready to debate on that level then don't hesitate in doing so, nothing would give me greater pleasure..

Well, I don't think I'm learning Arabic anytime soon(although I'd love, despite its erm peculiar sound its grammar seems fascinating) , but certain lingusitic issues can be discussed without the knowledge of it, since there's multiple translations and tafsirs.

 

[جوري]

I think the author of the Quran actually though the world was created in 6-8 days.

The author of the Quran is God!
The verses are very clear.. I can bring a horse to the water but I can't make him drink it.

The verse about the relativity of time for God merely ilustrate his strenght, independence etc. Now, this comes useful when ancient scriptures try to be in contact with the modern science, Christian, Msulims and Jews use it.

Haven't seen anything to parallel this in the other books.. many christians still think the earth is still 6000 yrs old. Perhaps modern science steals from ancient scriptures who knows? but which one came first? modern science or the Quran?

Of course, there's the option of the Quran actually being the Word of God but IMHO God could have done in a simpler way. I know, you probably think it couldn't have been done it better, but that's how people act, subjectively, biased...

This isn't a matter of opinion.. this is a matter of things I know of the Quran by virtue of speaking Arabic that most people can't begin to understand or realize except after yrs of study and dedication, just even in relation to other text at the time and other text that had tried to imitate the Quran, I'll try to post some here later for an ex. I am personally still learning and still in awe.. a few yrs ago I wasn't in awe.. it deepens as one's capacity to learn increases. It has in fact something for everyone from the simplest mind to the most complex... I can look at one verse in three distince ways.. I'll try to give an example of that too later...you can take it literal, you can take the elicitation, you can take it to an abstract.. but that is unparalleled.. any man writing a book will make a mistake.. I can't imagine someone writing so poetically in very distinct styles.. the language of the hadith is one way, the language of the Quran completely different... I can't on any level accept a sophmoric account of how it all occurred especially in its evocation of that historical period.. do you think for instance after finising the Quran, establishing a state of politics, morality, inheritance, economics, poetry, auguries one would sit there to make sure it all matched on this level for instance
to speak of 7 heavens and to find 7 different verses in different suras about them
2:29
17:44
23:86
41:12
65:12
67:3
71.15
or Another confirmed repetition....

Mention of 'Salawaat' (arabic pl. prayers) = 5 times

2:157, 2:238, 9:99, 22:40, 23:9 ..
mention of dunia and akhira in exact numbers
Mention of 'Dunyâ' (Life of this world) = 115 times

2:85, 2:86, 2:114, 2:130, 2:200, 2:201, 2:204, 2:212, 2:217, 2:220, 3:14, 3:22, 3:45, 3:56, 3:117, 3:145, 3:148, 3:152, 3:185, 4:74, 4:77, 4:94, 4:109, twice in 4:134, 5:33, 5:41, 6:29, 6:32, 6:70, 6:130, 7:32, 7:51, 7:152, 7:156, 8:42, 8:67, twice in 9:38, 9:55, 9:69, 9:74, 9:85, 10:7, 10:23, 10:24, 10:64, 10:70, 10:88, 10:98, 11:15, 11:60, 12:101, twice in 13:26, 13:34, 14:3, 14:27, 16:30, 16:41, 16:107, 16:122, 18:28, 18:45, 18:46, 18:104, 20:72, 20:131, 22:9, 22:11, 22:15, 22:33, 23:37, 24:14, 24:19, 24:23, 24:33, 28:42, 28:60, 28:61, 28:77, 28:79, 29:25, 29:27, 29:64, 30:7, 31:15, 31:33, 33:28, 33:57, 35:5, 37:6, 39:10, 39:26, 40:39, 40:43, 40:51, 41:12, 41:16, 41:31, 42:20, 42:36, 43:32, 43:35, 45:24, 45:35, 46:20, 47:36, 53:29, twice in 57:20, 59:3, 67:5, 79:38, 87:16

Mention of 'Âkhirah' (The Hereafter) =71+21+1+19+1+2 = 115 times

Al-Âkhirah = 71
2:94, 2:102, 2:114, 2:130, 2:200, 2:201, 3:77, 3:85, 3:145, 3:148, 3:152, 3:176, 5:5, 5:33, 5:41, 6:32, 7:147, 7:156, 7:169, 8:67, twice in 9:38, 10:64, 11:16, 11:12, 11:103, 12:57, 12:109, 13:26, 13:34, 14:3, 14:27, 16:30, 16:41, 16:107, 16:109, 16:122, 17:7, 17:19, 17:72, 17:104, 20:127, 23:33, 27:5, 27:66, 28:77, 28:83, 29:20, 29:27, 29:64, 30:7, 30:16, 33:29, 34:1, 38:7, 39:9, 39:26, 40:39, 40:43, 41:16, 41:31, twice in 42:20, 53:25, 57:20, 59:3, 60:13, 68:33, 74:53, 75:21, 79:25

Bil-Âkhirah = 21
2:86, 4:74, 6:92, 6:113, 6:150, 7:45, 11:19, 12:37, 16:22, 16:60, 17:10, 17:45, 23:74, 27:3, 27:4, 31:4, 34:8, 34:21, 39:45, 41:7, 53:27

Lil-Âkhirah =1
92:13

Wal-Âkhirah =19
2:217, 2:220, 3:22, 3:45, 3:56, 4:77, 4:134, 9:69, 9:74, 12:101, 22:11, 22:15, 24:14, 24:19, 24:23, 28:70, 33:57, 43:35, 87:17

Wabil-Âkhirah =1
2:4

Walal-Âkhirah =2
17:21, 93:4

and you find five different verses in different chapters.. who sits there and counts after all has been said and done..

that is if I were to take the book from just a numerology point of view..
really think about all your I's and T's before you write these random statements!

Yes, I read it and spotted the part about a word signifying simoultanous events, but it didn't quite convince me.

This is coming from an admitted non textual expert!

Firstly, the erath had to be done in order to set mountains on it etc (although not necessarily...) and because it could have been written in a clearer way.

I don't understand what that means or what you are trying to say..


cheers

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Christians have refuted virtually every alleged contradiction in the Bible so I wouldn't be surprised if a religion, whose followers seem to be much more devout, and has got centuries of theological tradition as well, did the same

 

[جوري]

Well, I don't think I'm learning Arabic anytime soon(although I'd love, despite its erm peculiar sound its grammar seems fascinating) , but certain lingusitic issues can be discussed without the knowledge of it, since there's multiple translations and tafsirs.

you are actually on to something.. despite the fact that Arabic sounds harsh and 'pecuiliar' in the Quran it is always melodious and perfect..

listen to any sura.. here is one..
to get the rhyme and meaning, in and of itself is no small feat, even if I were to ignore all else, including that mentioned in previous post


[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=VlgC5CKh26U[/media]

 

[جوري]

Christians have refuted virtually every alleged contradiction in the Bible so I wouldn't be surprised if a religion, whose followers seem to be much more devout, and has got centuries of theological tradition as well, did the same

that isn't an appropriate debate stratgey.. you need to bring specific points and examine them.. it needs to be satisfactory to the heart and mind.. not simply to quell a worry on the account there is a major competitor...
to begin with biblical history and Quranic history are quite different.. even in the process of preservation..


cheers

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I don't understand what that means or what you are trying to say..

If the author considered the mountains and tehir construction to be a part of the creation of the earth he could have mentioned them in the first verse.

The word repetition. I guess this is the only thing I find truely remarkable about the Quran. This is the very reason I started investigating Islam. Being a math lover I am rather sensitive to number issues.
Anyway, yes, I do think it is possible for a man (literate or illiterate) to produce a book with such repetitions.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

that isn't an appropriate debate stratgey.. you need to bring specific points and examine them.. it needs to be satisfactory to the heart and mind.. not simply to quell a worry on the account there is a major competitor...
to begin with biblical history and Quranic history are quite different.. even in the process of preservation..


cheers

I know. Don't you find it amazing that people would justify contradictions and mistakes in a book as distorted as the Bible? Belief always finds a way.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Haven't seen anything to parallel this in the other books.. many christians still think the earth is still 6000 yrs old. Perhaps modern science steals from ancient scriptures who knows? but which one came first? modern science or the Quran?

Oops, forgot this part.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

The Quran came first, modern science came second, people looking for parallels betwen them came third.

 

[جوري]

If the author considered the mountains and tehir construction to be a part of the creation of the earth he could have mentioned them in the first verse.

why?

The word repetition. I guess this is the only thing I find truely remarkable about the Quran. This is the very reason I started investigating Islam. Being a math lover I am rather sensitive to number issues.
Anyway, yes, I do think it is possible for a man (literate or illiterate) to produce a book with such repetitions.

You are entitled to your opinion.


cheers